"Mystery Candidates"

[BryceC]

I keep seeing some names thrown out there. However, let's just be honest about a few things, or at least make a few assumptions:

1. We aren't hiring a coach with a 4+ MM buyout.
2. We aren't paying somebody 3+ MM a year if we weren't going to do that for Hoiberg.

That right there just completely blows basically everybody off the list that has been discussed other than the guys that already interviewed. Any other mystery candidates will likely be mid major guys.

I think most people can agree there is a high likelihood those two things are true, even if you don't want it to be the case.

 

[Jer]

Regarding #2, don't be so sure. While I don't think we will end up going that route, we do have the ability. You can't really use Fred as a comparison because what he made is not what he was ultimately offered. He had a huge raise offer but that wasn't his motivating factor.

 

[501Clone]

Regarding #2, don't be so sure. While I don't think we will end up going that route, we do have the ability. You can't really use Fred as a comparison because what he made is not what he was ultimately offered. He had a huge raise offer but that wasn't his motivating factor.

Yeah Fred had a huge offer but none of these candidates will make even close to what Fred was offered...

C'mon Jeremy.

 

[mctallerton]

Why pay Fred $3 mil when he was happy at 2.4 or whatever it was.

 

[isutrevman]

I keep seeing some names thrown out there. However, let's just be honest about a few things, or at least make a few assumptions:

1. We aren't hiring a coach with a 4+ MM buyout.
2. We aren't paying somebody 3+ MM a year if we weren't going to do that for Hoiberg.

That right there just completely blows basically everybody off the list that has been discussed other than the guys that already interviewed. Any other mystery candidates will likely be mid major guys.

I think most people can agree there is a high likelihood those two things are true, even if you don't want it to be the case.

Who has said we wouldn't have paid that Hoiberg that much? It certainly wasn't Pollard. Or did you make that up?

 

[bawbie]

I keep seeing some names thrown out there. However, let's just be honest about a few things, or at least make a few assumptions:

1. We aren't hiring a coach with a 4+ MM buyout.
2. We aren't paying somebody 3+ MM a year if we weren't going to do that for Hoiberg.

That right there just completely blows basically everybody off the list that has been discussed other than the guys that already interviewed. Any other mystery candidates will likely be mid major guys.

I think most people can agree there is a high likelihood those two things are true, even if you don't want it to be the case.

If someone like John Beilein, Jay Wright or Jamie Dixon were actually interested, I don't see why they wouldn't be paid more than Fred. They certainly have a lot longer resumes and a lot more accomplishments. Plus Fred was always giving us a bit of a hometown discount.

 

[jsb]

Regarding #2, don't be so sure. While I don't think we will end up going that route, we do have the ability. You can't really use Fred as a comparison because what he made is not what he was ultimately offered. He had a huge raise offer but that wasn't his motivating factor.

so let's say tj is off the table---just for discussions sake---why don't you think we would go for a mystery candidate over the other 4?

 

[bawbie]

so let's say tj is off the table---just for discussions sake---why don't you think we would go for a mystery candidate over the other 4?

If the mystery candidate is the caliber of coach being discussed, then its because an agreeable deal for both sides can't be reached.

 

[inCyteful]

I keep seeing some names thrown out there. However, let's just be honest about a few things, or at least make a few assumptions:

1. We aren't hiring a coach with a 4+ MM buyout.
2. We aren't paying somebody 3+ MM a year if we weren't going to do that for Hoiberg.

That right there just completely blows basically everybody off the list that has been discussed other than the guys that already interviewed. Any other mystery candidates will likely be mid major guys.

I think most people can agree there is a high likelihood those two things are true, even if you don't want it to be the case.

I think generalizing in a search for a unique position like we have to fill but be counter-productive. If you changed bullets 1 and 2 to read we aren't LIKELY.... it opens some doors.

Next, we would have certainly paid CFH more than 2 or 3 million if that is what would work to keep him. The question is what we were paying him though but what others wanted to pay him. We could have offered him $4.5 million or even $5 million and he was still gone. Then you have just told the market you are willing to spend $5 million.

CBB coaching is a business and there are some established coaches out there that would be making a good business move by taking or at least interviewing for this job. The challenge is that those that would be really attractive names we want to see, can't risk having their names associated with the position unless they for sure have it. Imagine Jamie Dixon or Jay Wright making it public that they are interested in the job but not being able to close the deal. And them moving doesn't have to be for a bunch more money.

I don't know if we will land them but I guarantee there are at least a few of them and maybe we learn about 1 or 2 when dust settles, hopefully because they are now wearing Cardinal and Gold

 

[cyhiphopp]

Who has said we wouldn't have paid that Hoiberg that much? It certainly wasn't Pollard. Or did you make that up?

I think the big donors would have ponied up a big raise for Hoiberg if we had any indication that he was going to stick around for more than just a year or two. There was just too much flirting with the NBA. I think Freds big payday from the NBA was less about him wanting lots of money and more about the Bulls REALLY wanting to entice him away from his hometown.

 

[Jer]

I think a combination of money (self-imposed budget rather than capable budget) and very few high-level candidates combine to create a lot of hypotheticals. There is a single candidate that I've heard is still interested and would meet the criteria of being able to command top-dollar, but I still think events will transpire to prevent it from becoming reality.

 

[JRE1975]

The one Jeremy refers to as the mystery candidate that dropped out is probably Roy Williams, as ESPN has a story out that they are finally getting around to giving him an extension. With all of the problems at UNC, he could have acted interested. I have no idea of the details off his contract, but the lists I saw had Fred's salary above Roy.

I am ready for this whole process to be over!

 

[AlaCyclone]

I think a combination of money (self-imposed budget rather than capable budget) and very few high-level candidates combine to create a lot of hypotheticals. There is a single candidate that I've heard is still interested and would meet the criteria of being able to command top-dollar, but I still think events will transpire to prevent it from becoming reality.

If ISU has the chance to land a top notch HC like Dixon, Beilein, Wright, Brey, etc. and doesn't because of a tight pocketbook, that is a SHAME. I love the "Little School on the Prairie" analogy from a few days ago, and Iowa State needs to not be that school any longer.

Many years ago, Modern Day Iowa State Basketball was born when ISU made the audacious hire with Johnny Orr. They are at a critical point again, but this time it is trying to get that HC which will take the Iowa State University of Science & Technology to the MOON!

Just do it!

 

[cyhiphopp]

The one Jeremy refers to as the mystery candidate that dropped out is probably Roy Williams, as ESPN has a story out that they are finally getting around to giving him an extension. With all of the problems at UNC, he could have acted interested. I have no idea of the details off his contract, but the lists I saw had Fred's salary above Roy.

I am ready for this whole process to be over!

Well he knows he can recruit top talent out of Iowa. :twitcy:

 

[Spam]

Other than John Beilein and Jamie Dixon, I can't think of too many possibilities.

 

[bawbie]

Other than John Beilein and Jamie Dixon, I can't think of too many possibilities.

Others that have been mentioned that would be good to me (although I don't think they are all realistic):
Larry Krystoviak
Tom Crean
Jay Wright
Mike Brey (not gonna happen)
Mark Few (not gonna happen)
Mark Gottfried
Tony Bennett (not gonna happen)

Some mentioned that I don't want any part of:
Josh Pasner
Lorenzo Romar
Richard Pitino
Mike Anderson

 

[AlaCyclone]

Other than John Beilein and Jamie Dixon, I can't think of too many possibilities.

Either one would be a slam-dunk hire for ISU. If they need to pass the hat to pay the salary, pass the hat!

 

[CycloneErik]

Others that have been mentioned that would be good to me (although I don't think they are all realistic):
Larry Krystoviak
Tom Crean
Jay Wright
Mike Brey
Mark Few

Some mentioned that I don't want any part of:
Josh Pasner
Lorenzo Romar
Richard Pitino
Mike Anderson

Prior to this newfound offensive explosion from Brey's ND team, I would have disagreed with him. He's really put the complete package together over there and would be an outstanding hire.
I don't know if he's realistic or not, but it would be a lot of fun.

If it's an experienced big-time head coach, Bielein, Brey, or Wright would be amazing. K and Few would be excellent, but those two seem like ones that aren't going anywhere.

 

[bawbie]

Prior to this newfound offensive explosion from Brey's ND team, I would have disagreed with him. He's really put the complete package together over there and would be an outstanding hire.
I don't know if he's realistic or not, but it would be a lot of fun.

If it's an experienced big-time head coach, Bielein, Brey, or Wright would be amazing. K and Few would be excellent, but those two seem like ones that aren't going anywhere.

I added a couple to my list, but I think Bennett, Brey and Few are not the mystery candidates, I can't see them leaving their current schools at all.

 

[CycloneErik]

I added a couple to my list, but I think Bennett, Brey and Few are not the mystery candidates, I can't see them leaving their current schools at all.

Yeah. I think Few has had enough chances to leave that it's clear he isn't planning to do that.
I have to think that ND matches any offer we would hypothetically make to Brey, and the ACC is a nice recruiting pitch for him as well.