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Assuming Chew and Smalls come aboard, I really hope TJ stays on but if he doesn't I wonder who the third will be
 
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Cyclonepride said:
<----keeps checking thread for assistant coach news

Gets nothing but bickering over old news
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Hopefully we can turn the page next week when Prohm's staff starts to come together.

A commit or even some legit recruiting news would help too.

Cap City can't get here soon enough either.
 
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LawyerClone said:
What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.
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Very plausible. Makes sense. Straightforward. You sure you're a lawyer?
 
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It would appear to be a very promising MW recruiting experienced staff and get high marks from most on Prohm's first week. TJ Wisconsin, New England, and Canada focus on, Chew Wisconsin, Mizzou, and the Mason-Dixon line States, and Small as Prohm's right hand man to implement his system and I assume recruit the South.

I am slightly curious if it ends up being an either TJ or Chew though due to cost, Assoc. HC title and the overlap of past recruiting area. I assume the Chew also has relationships with McKay, Burton, and Nosowiak (plus the next potential Marquette transfers to ease the coaching transition. Probably reading a little to much into it.
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I get a kick out of all these "dream staff" posts, as though fans were picking players for the all-star team. You may be right, but personally I'll be very surprised if someone from Prohm's most recent staff doesn't end up at ISU.
 
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Inspired said:
I get a kick out of all these "dream staff" posts, as though fans were picking players for the all-star team. You may be right, but personally I'll be very surprised if someone from Prohm's most recent staff doesn't end up at ISU.
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Smalls will come with him
 
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Stormin said:
Here is the real conspiracy. Hoiberg got Otz to come back as an assistant. Otz buys a house. Hoiberg announces he is leaving to JP and suggests Prohm as a successor to JP. Prohm is offered the job by JP. Hoiberg gives Prohm a congratulatory call and says.......by the way......there is a great house for sale just north of Ames.

Hoiberg obviously wanted Prohm because he potentially could sell him his house.:jimlad:
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Is Fred even going to sell his house?
 
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LawyerClone said:
What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.
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Fred also knew Otz could be the face of the program while the whole change was taking place. He also know he is liked by the players and could keep them content while everything was going on.

Who knows if Otz loves Ames and ISU as much as he claims he does maybe he will take a job somewhere else in the athletic dept if he doesn't get kept on as an asst coach.
 
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IAStubborn said:
so if it was JP it didn't backfire? JP and Matt would have the same agenda to leak it to get Leath less involved to help Otz.
I am sure this is how Otz perceived the situation and I would guess told Matt A. who told his buddy Jon R.
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Let's just stop with the conspiracy nonsense. No conspiracy. IMO, the experience at HC was a large factor in the hiring of Prohm. He was a successful HC at a mid-maor. Definitely lower risk than JP hiring Otz who had no HC experience in terms of selling it to the fanbase .

IMO, Prohm is a decent hire. He appears to be a good coach. Hope he does great. At the same time, JP met him for the first time on Sunday, the day of the interview, interviewed him for an hour and a half and offered him the job that night. Prohm either had the best interview ever.....Hopefully that is the case. JP met Prohm for an hour and half one time and offered him the Iowa State HC job. JP has a lot riding on Prohm's success.
 
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I've heard that TJ met with Prohm and Pollard the day after the hiring and was not offered the asst job FWIW
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LawyerClone said:
What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.
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That is exactly how I feel about the situation.
 
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Stormin said:
Obviously it is both. Hoiberg says to himself, I will screw over Otz for leaving me and I can get my house sold at the same time. What a conniver.:jimlad:
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That is some Keyser Söze **** right there (CW, hopefully some day you will understand this reference ;).....
 
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Stormin said:
Let's just stop with the conspiracy nonsense. No conspiracy. IMO, the experience at HC was a large factor in the hiring of Prohm. He was a successful HC at a mid-maor. Definitely lower risk than JP hiring Otz who had no HC experience in terms of selling it to the fanbase .

IMO, Prohm is a decent hire. He appears to be a good coach. Hope he does great. At the same time, JP met him for the first time on Sunday, the day of the interview, interviewed him for an hour and a half and offered him the job that night. Prohm either had the best interview ever.....Hopefully that is the case. JP met Prohm for an hour and half one time and offered him the Iowa State HC job. JP has a lot riding on Prohm's success.
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How was my post conspiracy? I agree. I was just pointing out that in his hypothetical Jamie's motive would be the same as Abdelmassih so if he thinks backfiring disproves Abdelmassih or makes him stupid he should apply the same logic to his scenario in which he is convinced JP leaked it.

Also, conspiracy is a dumb word here regardless of what one thinks happened. Any time there is an open job that people want there is maneuvering and positioning, that is not a conspiracy it is life. Pollard doesnt need to conspire to hire Otz (he may have needed to position it to mitigate the fallout to make it viable for him to do so but even then that isn't a conspiracy).
 
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