*** ASST. COACH SEARCH THREAD: Wed, June 10th ***

[Rhoadhoused]

Well if it was Matt then it backfired completely because it had pretty much the reverse effect he intended. Fans just got ****** that JP wasn't doing a full coaching search.

And I don't know how he could possibly think it would change JPs mind. It doesn't make sense. He can't affect JPs decision.

 

[jcyclonee]

Who leaked the story to Rothstein if not Jamie?

Duh. @CycloneInsiders. They've got all the juice(boxes).

 

[CyFan61]

Well if it was Matt then it backfired completely because it had pretty much the reverse effect he intended. Fans just got ****** that JP wasn't doing a full coaching search.

And I don't know how he could possibly think it would change JPs mind. It doesn't make sense. He can't affect JPs decision.

The bolded would be much more applicable to JP than to Matt. If JP leaked who he wanted to hire (which is the exact opposite of his M.O. in every other search he's done) and didn't expect that it would get push-back resulting in him having to go another way, he is a moron. It would be the worst tactical move an AD has done since Bruce Van De Velde said no to the Independence Bowl at La. Tech.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Well if it was Matt then it backfired completely because it had pretty much the reverse effect he intended. Fans just got ****** that JP wasn't doing a full coaching search.

And I don't know how he could possibly think it would change JPs mind. It doesn't make sense. He can't affect JPs decision.

Or he had no intent to change minds or manipulate anything, but rather just passing along what he knew to a friend in hopes he would keep writing propaganda level material.

 

[kingcy]

What? May 29th this article was leaked by a source presumably in the AD http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ssistant-tj-otzelberger-has-support-of-isu-ad

That's 5 days before Fred was announced as the HC.

Pollard supposedly visited the search firm the week before, but that doesn't mean he wasn't zoned in on TJ. For all we know he had the firm send out feelers, and nothing was good enough to deter him from TJ at first glance so he sent that info to Rothstein. Who knows.

I just don't understand who would benefit from Rothstein putting that article out other than JP wanting to pump up his current favorite. Follow that thread and you'll find the answers.

I don't think Leath was a big **** and forced a huge rift between them, I just think he probably mandated that there be a real search with other options seriously considered. And I think JP was open minded enough to see the merit in that once he went through with everything.

Here is some shocking news. Not all the information that comes out of people in the Athletic Dept at ISU is true. Some people think they are in the know but really are not.

 

[isutrevman]

This is entirely plausible.

But how did Matt A know about the disagreement between JP and Leath? Presumably there's another source that's feeding info to Matt A. Whether that's TJ or someone else.

Who said there was a disagreement? The only one that said that was Rothstein. That doesn't make it true. From everything Leath and Pollard have said, that story was blown way out of proportion and there really wasn't much of a disagreement at all. I'll believe those two over some reporter with a 2nd or 3rd hand account.

 

[jcyclonee]

I believe that there was probably a statement from JP to Leath that was somewhat along these lines. "Well, if we aren't impressed with any of the other candidates we have a pretty good one here in TJ."

Obviously, they were very impressed with Prohm. I think most of us are at this very early stage.

 

[LawyerClone]

What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.

 

[Gunnerclone]

What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.

ny'oh my god

what if the leak was from Fred

 

[jcyclonee]

What I've posted above is fact, as relayed to me. The following is opinion -

Otz was brought back, by Hoiberg - not JP, knowing Hoiberg was likely leaving. Nothing was promised, but people aren't stupid and he knew he'd have a better chance at the job in that role than if he was still an assistant at UW. See the Romar comments. Also, Matt A. would not have left (even for St. John's) if Hoiberg was still the coach at ISU.

From Hoiberg's perspective, it maximized the chance that existing staff would be retained, it allowed more continuity while Hoiberg was out for surgery, it got 2016 recruiting off to a better start, helped reel in Noskowiak and if Otz didn't get the job, it'd give more options for ready made assistants to whoever did. The program was/is in a better place bringing TJ back for two months compared to if it didn't. And obviously he's proven himself if Hoiberg chose not to take an NBA job. There's really no downside from Hoiberg's perspective and it provided a built in potential successor this year or next, where there wasn't one before.

Matt A. saw that ISU was going through a traditional coaching search rather than giving the job to Otz and he knew that once that happened, the odds for Otz were worse. Matt A. put in a word for Otz to JP. He may or may not have heard something along the lines of JP is a big fan of Otz, but Leath wants to go through Parker before making any decisions, but he gave it to Rothstein in an attempt to put pressure on Leath to allow JP to do searches his normal way, which would have increased the odds for Otz and ensured that Mann, Byars and everyone else had jobs for 2016 and the players had maximum continuity.

That's my $0.02 on the whole thing.

This makes an awful lot of sense.

It barely registers on my BS meter... and you're a lawyer (or at least your name implies that). How is that possible?

Anyway, good post.

 

[Dingus]

This makes an awful lot of sense.

It barely registers on my BS meter... and you're a lawyer (or at least your name implies that). How is that possible?

Anyway, good post.

I've had very little interest in, and less concern about, the 'conspiracy'. That said, the only part I'm not quite sure about is that it would be a pretty big risk for TJ to leave a job to move and take a new job in a staff that would be dismantled, all in the hope he'd be considered for a new job.

I guess he'd be on contract so less of a financial risk, but still, that's a risky move with a young family. Unless his job situation was tenuous in WA anyway.

 

[Die4Cy]

If logic is an art, the Otz conspiracy folks are still trying to master crayons.

 

[LawyerClone]

I've had very little interest in, and less concern about, the 'conspiracy'. That said, the only part I'm not quite sure about is that it would be a pretty big risk for TJ to leave a job to move and take a new job in a staff that would be dismantled, all in the hope he'd be considered for a new job.

I guess he'd be on contract so less of a financial risk, but still, that's a risky move with a young family. Unless his job situation was tenuous in WA anyway.

Everyone has a different tolerance level with it, but I think if you're a D-1 college BB coach, you're signing up to move 3-10 times in your professional life. It's just a part of the game. I'm sure there was some cost benefit analysis done with what % the move would increase his odds vs. the risk of moving twice in a year or just sitting at home and getting paid would do. Keep in mind if it worked, it's a pretty big shortcut to a Power 5 job and Top 10 team vs. going to the Northern Kentucky's and Wisconsin Green-Bay's of the world, seeing how you do for several years and then maybe, maybe having a chance a job 1/2 as good as this one. It's a pretty big carrot.

Some would take the chance, some wouldn't.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Who said there was a disagreement? The only one that said that was Rothstein. That doesn't make it true. From everything Leath and Pollard have said, that story was blown way out of proportion and there really wasn't much of a disagreement at all. I'll believe those two over some reporter with a 2nd or 3rd hand account.

The only one?

 

[Cydkar]

As much as I try concern myself with "leaks" and the like. I just can't do it. Couldn't care less.

 

[Stormin]

Here is the real conspiracy. Hoiberg got Otz to come back as an assistant. Otz buys a house. Hoiberg announces he is leaving to JP and suggests Prohm as a successor to JP. Prohm is offered the job by JP. Hoiberg gives Prohm a congratulatory call and says.......by the way......there is a great house for sale just north of Ames.

Hoiberg obviously wanted Prohm because he potentially could sell him his house.

 

[LindenCy]

Here is the real conspiracy. Hoiberg got Otz to come back as an assistant. Otz buys a house. Hoiberg announces he is leaving to JP and suggests Prohm as a successor to JP. Prohm is offered the job by JP. Hoiberg gives Prohm a congratulatory call and says.......by the way......there is a great house for sale just north of Ames.

Hoiberg obviously wanted Prohm because he potentially could sell him his house.

I think you had it right until the home sale. It was more about screwing Otz over for leaving his staff 2 years ago. Fred holds a major grudge.

 

[Stormin]

I think you had it right until the home sale. It was more about screwing Otz over for leaving his staff 2 years ago. Fred holds a major grudge.

Obviously it is both. Hoiberg says to himself, I will screw over Otz for leaving me and I can get my house sold at the same time. What a conniver.

 

[Cyclonepride]

<----keeps checking thread for assistant coach news

Gets nothing but bickering over old news

 

[Gunnerclone]

<----keeps checking thread for assistant coach news

Gets nothing but bickering over old news

I'm just sitting here waiting for H2's episode of "history's greatest conspiracies" on this subject.