Expansion

[D UP Clones]

Another hawk fan with reading comprehension problems. I never said they wouldn't jump the big twelve with the new deal. I said they should get a good bump.

The discussion was about clueless hawk fans like Gonzo who have made yearly claims the big ten brings in millions more per school on their old deal. Forbes didn't seem to think so for 2013. Imagine that.

That's what's so funny about the big ten. When an objective paper etc reports the data somehow it's never quite as good as you have told us.

In other words, I will wait to see the actual payouts of your new deal which he said will be 45 million per school.

He bailed once he was proven wrong yet again.

We were having a pretty rational conversation until he showed up.

 

[Gonzo]

Another hawk fan with reading comprehension problems. I never said they wouldn't jump the big twelve with the new deal. I said they should get a good bump.

The discussion was about clueless hawk fans like Gonzo who have made yearly claims the big ten brings in millions more per school on their old deal. Forbes didn't seem to think so for 2013. Imagine that.

That's what's so funny about the big ten. When an objective paper etc reports the data somehow it's never quite as good as you have told us.

In other words, I will wait to see the actual payouts of your new deal which he said will be 45 million per school.

We do make more per school on the old deal.

 

[D UP Clones]

No offense but I will wait for the press release that shows the actual payouts not articles suggesting they will make that. That's what has happened in the past. We hear one thing and then when the actual numbers are reported it doesn't match up.

Oh and unless something changed the big ten includes tier three as they gave those rights to the conference.

The big twelve does not.

For 2014 the Big 12 payout per school averaged under $26 million.

The B1G payout per school averaged $27 million.

 

[D UP Clones]

No you dont. Tier three. Yeah... don't think so.

We do make more per school on the old deal.

 

[Gonzo]

No offense but I will wait for the press release that shows the actual payouts not articles suggesting they will make that. That's what has happened in the past. We hear one thing and then when the actual numbers are reported it doesn't match up.

Oh and unless something changed the big ten includes tier three as they gave those rights to the conference.

The big twelve does not.

The figures I linked to were based on actual payout numbers, Einstein.

 

[Wesley]

Adding so many new teams to BIG means league makes partial payouts to new members like maryland. As time goes on, all schools receive full payout, so $45M may decrease with the years unless the BTN gets better advertising. Maybe this is why David Boren is pouting. He knows we need a B12N. UT and ESPN screwed us again. Better ball is being played in other stadiums than Austin.

 

[D UP Clones]

Actually according to Forbes those aren't the actual numbers. Forbes said the big ten distributed 26.5 million per school and the big twelve distributed 26.2.

And that's why I don't believe big ten propoganda. That number includes tier three for the big ten. It does not for the big twelve.

So the big ten paid less per school in 2013 and more this year by 300,000 while including tier three.

The figures I linked to were based on actual payout numbers, Einstein.

 

[RustShack]

I'm pretty sure the numbers you are giving us are Tier 1-3 for the B1G and just Tier 1-2 rights from the Big12.

 

[CyPack]

Will the Big 12 sit back with 10 teams after getting screwed in the CFP? Who are the reasonable candidates to get back to 12 teams?

I'd probably have to go with Cincinnati and Memphis. Need to move east and have a tie in with WVU. Cincy has had pretty successful football the last few years and the basketball program is very solid, plus it opens up Ohio. Memphis gets the conf into SEC territory, the basketball program is solid and with a Power 5 conf affiliation the football program could really take off.

Would be able to split up divisions North/South or East/West.

 

[Gonzo]

Actually according to Forbes those aren't the actual numbers. Forbes said the big ten distributed 26.5 million per school and the big twelve distributed 26.2.

And that's why I don't believe big ten propoganda. That number includes tier three for the big ten. It does not for the big twelve.

So the big ten paid less per school in 2013 and more this year by 300,000 while including tier three.

You're quoting numbers from 2012-2013. Live in the now. For 2014-2015 the Big 12 average distribution per school is $25.6 mill. It's right here. That doesn't include third tier, and if you're Texas, that's awesome. You're not. You're like the guidance counselor at Laney High School who factors in Michael Jordan's lifetime earnings to promote the average annual income of Laney grads. ISU makes what, $2.5 mill per year from third tier? So you'll make just over $28 mill, which is probably about the same for at least half the Big 12. The expected average B1G payout for 2014-2015 will be $30.9 mill per school. It's right here. And that's the old deal.

None of this was the point. This was about conference expansion until you jumped on and turned it into a p*ssing match. You're better at football (most years), we have more money. I'll trade you.

 

[TXCyclones]

I'd probably have to go with Cincinnati and Memphis. Need to move east and have a tie in with WVU. Cincy has had pretty successful football the last few years and the basketball program is very solid, plus it opens up Ohio. Memphis gets the conf into SEC territory, the basketball program is solid and with a Power 5 conf affiliation the football program could really take off.

Would be able to split up divisions North/South or East/West.

I'd go with UCONN first and then BYU or Cincy.

 

[Mesaclone1]

Kansas City doesn't have television?

Kansas City has lots of TV sets, but they are not IN Kansas and so the subscription rate is far lower...though the SEC will get paid the full "in-state" school subscription rate by cable companies in Kansas City. In terms of subscription rates, Kansas City would be no different than Tucson, Arizona with a KU addition to the B1G.

 

[weR138]

I'd go with UCONN first and then BYU or Cincy.

I'd totally forgot about UCONN...Cinci & UCONN if we added would work...

 

[Mesaclone1]

For 2014 the Big 12 payout per school averaged under $26 million.

The B1G payout per school averaged $27 million.

That leaves out the Big 12's Tier 3 television revenues...which for the B1G are part of the payout as they go to the BTN.

So, for example, UT would by hitting at around 42 million, OU/KU at around 35-36 million...so the Big 12 payouts are WAY above the current B1G payouts. Now that will change as the B1G negotiates a new contract, but the most recent contract leagues ALWAYS jump ahead...and as Bowlsby has been very direct in stating that Big 12 average payouts will hit the low 40 million range on average by the early 20's, the Big 12 will be very strong fiscally and looking at signing big, fat new contracts around 2024 or so. Earlier if the B12 adds teams as they negotiate some elevator raises under the right circumstances.

And don't forget, the NCAA is about to authorize conference championship games for 10 team leagues like the Big 12...and that will pack a nice bit of extra revenue as well.

 

[Mesaclone1]

You're quoting numbers from 2012-2013. Live in the now. For 2014-2015 the Big 12 average distribution per school is $25.6 mill. It's right here. That doesn't include third tier, and if you're Texas, that's awesome. You're not. You're like the guidance counselor at Laney High School who factors in Michael Jordan's lifetime earnings to promote the average annual income of Laney grads. ISU makes what, $2.5 mill per year from third tier? So you'll make just over $28 mill, which is probably about the same for at least half the Big 12. The expected average B1G payout for 2014-2015 will be $30.9 mill per school. It's right here. And that's the old deal.

None of this was the point. This was about conference expansion until you jumped on and turned it into a p*ssing match. You're better at football (most years), we have more money. I'll trade you.

So what you're saying is that, for the past few years, ISU has been taking in more football revenue (Tier 1/2/3) than programs like Ohio State and Michigan. Awesome. If we dip behind slightly...and Bowlsby is clear that average Big 12 payouts will be in the 40+ million range by the early 20's...for a few years due to new contracts in the B1G, that's fine. We catch up and pass you again with our new contracts next decade. Its just the way it cycles.

 

[D UP Clones]

Yeah... pretty sure the numbers for 14-15 actually aren't out since the fiscal year ended yesterday... good work though.

The information I quoted was from the previous two years where the data is complete...

note there are no words like "projected."

Good job on the tier three blow off there though... coming from little brother that was rather comical.

You're quoting numbers from 2012-2013. Live in the now. For 2014-2015 the Big 12 average distribution per school is $25.6 mill. It's right here. That doesn't include third tier, and if you're Texas, that's awesome. You're not. You're like the guidance counselor at Laney High School who factors in Michael Jordan's lifetime earnings to promote the average annual income of Laney grads. ISU makes what, $2.5 mill per year from third tier? So you'll make just over $28 mill, which is probably about the same for at least half the Big 12. The expected average B1G payout for 2014-2015 will be $30.9 mill per school. It's right here. And that's the old deal.

None of this was the point. This was about conference expansion until you jumped on and turned it into a p*ssing match. You're better at football (most years), we have more money. I'll trade you.

 

[twojman]

I don't think Gonzo gets it. He does not understand all those other conferences are reporting total payouts because they all share Tier 1 through Tier 3 rights. The Big 12 is unique. Each school has the right to get as much money as they can with Tier 3. Texas gets an additional $15 million on top of what is reported. OU and West Va get an additional $6MM roughly along with Kansas. ISU gets around the $5 million range.

Again, the announced #'s you see anywhere for Big 12 are only for Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights. Each school in the Big 12 gets additional monies via Tier 3. For the most part these amounts are not announced. Everyone needs to remember this when comparing $'s with other conferences.

 

[00clone]

Talking smack that the B12 deal is better than the B1G deal that was signed back when many thought what the B1G was doing was a bad idea and going to crash and burn?

In addition, the markets that have been added since then? You can't honestly think that the deal is going to be close to the B12's after negotiations are complete.

Do you intentionally set yourself up to look silly? Please tell me it's intentional.

Moderators: I noticed perkyforherky doesn't have an avatar. Could one of you please load this for him:

Perky is the goofy a** UIHC "mascot"

 

[HoopsTournament]

The Grant of Rights agreement would stop any school from leaving. There is no provision for termination. The massive litigation and the potential damages incurred by Texas and Oklahoma to the Conference if they did leave could potentially bankrupt even them. They will not leave.

http://frankthetank.me/2013/08/08/s...look-at-the-big-12-grant-of-rights-agreement/

I said this two years ago when it was written and I say it again. This should be required reading before anyone starts spewing nonsense about realignment. No one is leaving the Big 12 before GOR is over (or close to over).

 

[HoopsTournament]

The problem with this is that once OU and UT leave the others will jump ship for a landing spot immediately, thereby effectively dissolving the conference and letting each of them out of the Grant of Rights clause. Even if ISU and KSU were left standing as the last two it wouldn't matter, the conference is dissolved.

8 teams have to leave to dissolve the conference. EIGHT. If a few leave and the leftovers add BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn, etc., the leftovers get the money. The conference will not be dissolved. I do not see other conferences taking 8 teams. ISU, KSU, Baylor and TCU are 4 that will probably not go to one of the other four P5 conferences. That means a conference will still be here and get the revenue of the other 6 if that were to happen. Those schools would not be stupid enough to risk it.