True Detective: Season 2

[ThatllDoCy]

Valcorro would have been killed by the police or spent his life in prison. He drove out there to buy Besirides time to get on the boat. The last two episodes I liked.

This season tried a little too hard in my opinion. People ripped on Vaughn a lot, but the dialogue just seemed odd. I don't know how anyone could have delivered the the lines effectively. When Valcorro asks Besirides, "Do you miss it?", she says "What?" he says, "Anything?" It was melodramatic to me.

That said, it is the only crime show I watch and better than CSI or Law and Order and that type of thing.

 

[Angie]

I was also hoping Velcoro would make it, but honestly at somewhere around 60 minutes in turned to Janny and said, "I don't think ANY of them are going to make it." I thought the bar owner lady with the scar face was going to kill Bezziredes from jealousy.

It was a good ending. It feels odd to say that Season 1's ending was a "happy ending" in comparison, though.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I was also hoping Velcoro would make it, but honestly at somewhere around 60 minutes in turned to Janny and said, "I don't think ANY of them are going to make it." I thought the bar owner lady with the scar face was going to kill Bezziredes from jealousy.

It was a good ending. It feels odd to say that Season 1's ending was a "happy ending" in comparison, though.

I was hoping Ray would make it but knew he wouldn't. I'm glad Ani made it, mostly because I love her.

 

[Tre4ISU]

If Velcorro knew those guys were tailing him, why didn't he just drive straight to LAPD headquarters? Last place I would go would be out in the woods where no one notices a big gunfight.

Because he had been set up for those murders. His life was over in the US

 

[Frak]

Because he had been set up for those murders. His life was over in the US

I don't know...if they have proof to show the corruption, he could have gotten off eventually. I don't know that driving into the woods would be my response.

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't know...if they have proof to show the corruption, he could have gotten off eventually. I don't know that driving into the woods would be my response.

He didn't have it, though. Ani did. All he had was a story. And even then, Caspere's harddrive was worthless. There was no proof on it.

 

[CyArob]

I thought it was pretty sad that Ray's voice message failed to send.

 

[Mr Janny]

I thought it was pretty sad that Ray's voice message failed to send.

Yeah, that was tough.

I really liked Vince Vaughn's final walk, how he lost his limp, when Jordan showed up, giving you a clue that he'd died. Then, she confirmed it with "Oh honey, you stopped walking way back there." Powerful line.

Vaughn impressed me. He was a lot better than I thought he was going to be as Frank.

 

[Angie]

I thought it was pretty sad that Ray's voice message failed to send.

That made me really sad, too. I do like that Ani gave the interview so that both Chad and the new baby would have the real story. Doesn't make up for it, but at least it's something.

 

[CyBroncos]

Solid ending, was hoping Velcorro would make it.

When he was debating whether to get away or go see his kid first, it reminded me a lot of DeNiro's choice in Heat when he can get away or kill the guy who set him up. Every time I see it, I'm like no man just go, get away. I felt the same in this with Farrell, you want his character to get away but like DeNiro, he made a choice and it ended up costing him his life.

 

[Angie]

When he was debating whether to get away or go see his kid first, it reminded me a lot of DeNiro's choice in Heat when he can get away or kill the guy who set him up. Every time I see it, I'm like no man just go, get away. I felt the same in this with Farrell, you want his character to get away but like DeNiro, he made a choice and it ended up costing him his life.

I've been thinking a lot about Velcoro's choice. It was not the smart choice, by any means - but I think about what I would do if I were in that situation. If I were going to possibly never see my child again, I'd want to lay eyes on him/her/them one last time. I get it, I'd probably make the same foolish decision.

 

[Mr Janny]

When he was debating whether to get away or go see his kid first, it reminded me a lot of DeNiro's choice in Heat when he can get away or kill the guy who set him up. Every time I see it, I'm like no man just go, get away. I felt the same in this with Farrell, you want his character to get away but like DeNiro, he made a choice and it ended up costing him his life.

I don't think there was ever a chance he was getting away, in this story. Too much blood on his hands. They'd been telegraphing his death since almost the beginning. And this year's story stuck with the classic storytelling cliches, for good or ill. Ray and Frank had too much sin in their pasts to survive. Woodrugh died for not being able to accept who he was. Ani and Jordan were the "innocents" of the group. (and I use that term in the broadest sense) They were the only ones who were ever going to make it out.

 

[JohnnyFive]

I don't think there was ever a chance he was getting away, in this story. Too much blood on his hands. They'd been telegraphing his death since almost the beginning. And this year's story stuck with the classic storytelling cliches, for good or ill. Ray and Frank had too much sin in their pasts to survive. Woodrugh died for not being able to accept who he was. Ani and Jordan were the "innocents" of the group. (and I use that term in the broadest sense) They were the only ones who were ever going to make it out.

This. Him taking the tail on a goose chase to help her get away was his way of trying to atone for all the awful things he had done in his life. I never really thought he'd ever get on that boat.

Loved Vaughn's death scene. His girl tells him he needs to rest, he says no, never, and she says you fell back there and he looks back to see his body there.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I don't think there was ever a chance he was getting away, in this story. Too much blood on his hands. They'd been telegraphing his death since almost the beginning. And this year's story stuck with the classic storytelling cliches, for good or ill. Ray and Frank had too much sin in their pasts to survive. Woodrugh died for not being able to accept who he was. Ani and Jordan were the "innocents" of the group. (and I use that term in the broadest sense) They were the only ones who were ever going to make it out.

I actually thought Ray was getting away somehow just because it never felt like he could get out of his messes, if that makes sense. I thought this was the first time since that **** happened to his wife that something would work for him.

 

[Tre4ISU]

And FWIW, I enjoyed this season more than last season.

 

[Mr Janny]

I actually thought Ray was getting away somehow just because it never felt like he could get out of his messes, if that makes sense. I thought this was the first time since that **** happened to his wife that something would work for him.

Yeah, but in the dream sequence with the Conway Twitty impersonator, his dad pretty point blankly states, "You're not going to live through this"

Then, in the last episode, when Ray goes to the train station to meet Len, he's wearing sunglasses that are in the same shape as the water spot that Frank notices on the ceiling, which earlier was shown to represent the wounds on Caspere's eyes, (also Stan I think). I realize that's kind of a small detail, and I guess I could be off, but it lines up. I tried pointing it out to my wife last night, while we were watching, and she thought I was crazy.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, but in the dream sequence with the Conway Twitty impersonator, his dad pretty point blankly states, "You're not going to live through this"

Then, in the last episode, when Ray goes to the train station to meet Len, he's wearing sunglasses that are in the same shape as the water spot that Frank notices on the ceiling, which earlier was shown to represent the wounds on Caspere's eyes, (also Stan I think). I realize that's kind of a small detail, and I guess I could be off, but it lines up. I tried pointing it out to my wife last night, while we were watching, and she thought I was crazy.

You pay way more attention than I do.

 

[Mr Janny]

You pay way more attention than I do.

lol. Normally I don't. I swear. For what ever reason, though. When I saw his sunglasses, I remembered. It could just be coincidence, though. This season wasn't terribly subtle with the symbolism.

 

[MayorsAge]

I thought it was pretty sad that Ray's voice message failed to send.

Car is on empty and he decides to drive to the most remote mountains without any service. That's True Detective v2 for you

 

[Angie]

Yeah, but in the dream sequence with the Conway Twitty impersonator, his dad pretty point blankly states, "You're not going to live through this"

Then, in the last episode, when Ray goes to the train station to meet Len, he's wearing sunglasses that are in the same shape as the water spot that Frank notices on the ceiling, which earlier was shown to represent the wounds on Caspere's eyes, (also Stan I think). I realize that's kind of a small detail, and I guess I could be off, but it lines up. I tried pointing it out to my wife last night, while we were watching, and she thought I was crazy.

Part of that was that I didn't understand you at first - his sunglasses were in the shape of sunglasses, and I was trying to watch the scene and didn't understand what you were saying. I am like Tre4ISU, though, I never paid that close of attention.

I think Netflix and Hulu have been my downfall in terms of paying attention to a show sustained over the season. I didn't even remember that they had gone to a movie set until someone mentioned Erica being there. I had forgotten Frank's water spots until Janny mentioned them. I just forget the details unless I'm power-watching something.