REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[CapnCy]

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While I agree that in a perfect world JP shouldn't play favorites, if any coach/program at ISU deserved to be a favorite, it would certainly be MBB & Fred. Why even risk burning a bridge with Fred? I've always been a JP fan, but if this stuff is true my opinions will be greatly changed.

Agree......I think we are thinking the same thing...I want all of the coaches to have the tools they need to be successful....but, there is differing value (look at contracts)...and that is ok to acknowledge....especially when that person is getting a higher return on investment.

And, if the other coaches are sour grapes about it, get over yourselves...having our logo in the final four makes that logo even more noticeable when the other coaches go recruiting the country.

 

[clone136]

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Insinuating that this is why Fred left is pretty silly. I honestly don't see much here. Yes there were some mistakes but none of this leads me to believe there was a major schism between Fred and the athletic department.

Wanting Hoiberg to stop the transfer way of going about things is a problem. Not supporting the best thing to ever happen to Iowa State is a problem.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

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Jamie Pollard's job just got put in question.

 

[ArgentCy]

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This isn't that surprising but definitely offers insight to the details. Pollard is an accountant by trade and of course is much more of a bean counter than some other AD's who are more politicians. I appreciate Pollards stance when it comes to the salary. I mean you just signed a 10 year deal and clearly knew the numbers. Coming back each year demanding another 500k / year is the exact reason that coaching salaries have ballooned so much. Very similar to CEO pay as well.

Coming through and nickel and dimming the team like having them check out of hotel rooms early is ridiculous. Treat them like the stars that they are or you are going to have problems, Save the real money with your harder line contract negotiations and then sell some more concessions or something but make the little things matter.

 

[CYCLNST8]

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Wait- am I to believe ISU's athletic department is the only one in college athletics nickel & diming people?? Please. Even Texas was doing it- and they have no flippin' excuse. If you're investing to compete with Power 5 facilities, you have to make some tough choices.

That being said, it's hard to believe you couldn't reward a team for winning a tournament. I have a hard time buying Jamie being jealous of Fred's popularity. He should have been kissing Fred's feet for saving his job after the McDoormat & Cheezit fiascoes.

 

[3TrueFans]

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Damnit, even the part of the athletics department that I didn't think was a dumpster fire is actually a dumpster fire. What is even real anymore!?

 

[DesertClone1]

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Wow. Not sure how much of that, if any, to believe. :no:

Believe all of it... Think about it, JP was all set to hire Otz, would have been the cheap way out.
Think what our next head coaching search will be like.. Hell probably a Texas 5a Coach.

 

[HGoat]

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My already low opinion of Jamie Pollard dropped even lower, into the gutter.

Say what you want about JP, but for me, he let two unacceptable things happen:

1.Let Cael Sanderson leave ames

2. Let Fred Hoiberg leave ames

There was a lot of talk of this same kind of behavior when Cael left Ames. Not a good thing for your AD to be known for.

 

[chrishull14]

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K.J. Kindler specifically cited Pollard as part of why she left the gymnastics program. Cael Sanderson hated Pollard. Add Hoiberg to the list. There are probably more that we don't know about. I realize there is no money tree planted next to the Jake. But, I remember Pollard saying he wanted to make sure the sports we have are taken care of and not expand the dept. Doesn't seem like his definition of "taken care of" is the same as everyone else's.

 

[DeereClone]

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This isn't that surprising but definitely offers insight to the details. Pollard is an accountant by trade and of course is much more of a bean counter than some other AD's who are more politicians. I appreciate Pollards stance when it comes to the salary. I mean you just signed a 10 year deal and clearly knew the numbers. Coming back each year demanding another 500k / year is the exact reason that coaching salaries have ballooned so much. Very similar to CEO pay as well.

Coming through and nickel and dimming the team like having them check out of hotel rooms early is ridiculous. Treat them like the stars that they are or you are going to have problems, Save the real money with your harder line contract negotiations and then sell some more concessions or something but make the little things matter.

I don't think they checked out early. It looks like they needed to check out by the normal check out time for the hotel (probably 10 or 11 AM) or they would be charged for the next night as well, which is very normal. They checked out to avoid that next night charge, and were put up in a hotel ball room where the team slept. The team probably could have sat in the hotel lobby and watched TV, went to a near-by restaurant to eat and watch TV, etc but they were tired from playing a tournament and probably being up late the night before (not that I blame them or that is a problem) so they chose to sleep.

the fact that Hines stretched this individual story this far makes me seriously question the rest of the article.

 

[carvers4math]

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One thing that is troubling and probably pretty easy to verify is paying for AD families way to NCAA game but not basketball staff families. Favoritism in the penny pinching.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

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At least Jamie can follow his head football coach out of town.

 

[TheHelgo]

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If this is true, then I am very disappointed in Pollard. It is hard not to believe the story though, as very similar things were said when Sanderson left for Penn State. Frankly, I am at a loss on this. Kudos for getting the stadium done, but chasing off Hoiberg and the success/program notoriety he brought is simply unacceptable.

I sincerely hope it works out great with Prohm, but this article implies that the course of history was changed by some actions taken by the AD that really make no sense in the grand scheme of things. I always did think it was strange how Pollard kept mentioning Hoiberg's salary and how ticket prices had to go up, etc.

Upon further review, it appears that Hines got carried away and tried to make a name for himself at the expense of Iowa State. He had to know this would do harm, and it appears most was either exaggerated, or completely false.

 

[Fitzy]

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That took balls by Hines and the Trib to run. Great job on their part.

 

[DesertClone1]

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Wait- am I to believe ISU's athletic department is the only one in college athletics nickel & diming people?? Please. Even Texas was doing it- and they have no flippin' excuse. If you're investing to compete with Power 5 facilities, you have to make some tough choices.

That being said, it's hard to believe you couldn't reward a team for winning a tournament. I have a hard time buying Jamie being jealous of Fred's popularity. He should have been kissing Fred's feet for saving his job after the McDoormat & Cheezit fiascoes.

So, making a team who just played 3-4 games in a 3 day period by making them sleep on the flipping floor is right? Come on, we're a big 12 basketball team. **** like that shouldn't happen at all. I can almost guarantee you, that doesn't happen anywhere else in this conference.

 

[isufbcurt]

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This is exactly why there will be NO high caliber football coaches wanting to come the ISU if we let CPR go.

 

[asmosis]

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Insinuating that this is why Fred left is pretty silly. I honestly don't see much here. Yes there were some mistakes but none of this leads me to believe there was a major schism between Fred and the athletic department.

Sure, it's probably not the main reason as Fred did want to coach at the highest level, but it's naive to think that being "nickled and dimed" repeatedly won't encourage your most valuable MBB asset to stay when other options come up. Seems to me that a culture of penny-pinching is not what you want to be known for at the same time as some of the best fundraising in the school's history, as well as huge increases in student enrollment.

 

[Incyte]

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Wanting Hoiberg to stop the transfer way of going about things is a problem. Not supporting the best thing to ever happen to Iowa State is a problem.

Jamie put down the transfer "culture" when McDermott was coach. Since then he didn't say **** about it.

You're implying Jamie told Fred to stop with the transfers which is utterly not true.

 

[jsb]

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Wanting Hoiberg to stop the transfer way of going about things is a problem. Not supporting the best thing to ever happen to Iowa State is a problem.

its only a problem if they told them to stop. Insinuated is the word used and that's vague.

Hell, Jamie could have said the trnsfers will hurt iowa state if Fred leaves and the new guy is left with nothing.

 

[CloniesForLife]

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Pollard may have just become the most disliked man in Ames. Pretty bold thing for Hines to report