REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

heitclone

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A good start might be to actually pay Fred a top 10 public university salary since that he was claiming to have been paying that.

At least pay him considerably more than Rhoads. Fred barely made 100k more than Rhoads did for 2014
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The article is more or less crap, I agree.

This is my biggest concern of the article, since other parts of the story have been refuted and disproven, this gets ignored. JP mislead the fanbase about this, he should get questioned on it.
 

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This is my biggest concern of the article, since other parts of the story have been refuted and disproven, this gets ignored. JP mislead the fanbase about this, he should get questioned on it.

Maybe it's time we gave Jamie Pollard one of those "Top 10 public university salaries" for ADs, and make big announcements about it everywhere.
 
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Open Letter!
 

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The tone of the fanbase after the article came out was close to a lynch mob for JP's neck. When Fred came out and casually swatted it away like a fly the fanbase's tone did a complete 180 and turned on TH. If Fred did not do that I think we are having a completely different discussion. Maybe Hines or the Tribune didn't expect Fred to do that.

They may have been led to believe that Fred couldn't stand JP and therefore Fred doing that never crossed their mind. Fred basically shat all over their story. However, according to JP, Fred warned Travis that he would refute it.
 

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[FONT=&amp]The deciding factor was the article by T Hines concerning ISU BB. My opinion of Hines has been somewhat positive (comparatively speaking) but my observation is that the latest effort is nothing more than grocery store tabloid journalism. Need to create attention for yourself write an article where rumors, innuendo and a whole bunch of accusations from people without the backbone to allow the use of their names is the source,[/FONT][FONT=&amp]get it out into today’s idiotic social media and then sit back and consider yourselves to actually be journalists – less than mediocre journalists at best. [/FONT]

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Isn't this supposed to be written to the Ames Tribune and not on an ISU message board?
 

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A good start might be to actually pay Fred a top 10 public university salary since that he was claiming to have been paying that.

At least pay him considerably more than Rhoads. Fred barely made 100k more than Rhoads did for 2014.

The article is more or less crap, I agree.

Gogagig, I don't disagree with your suggestion to pay Fred more, but please answer one question. Where would you get the money from? Would you cut other coaches' salaries? Would you reduce travel expenses? Would you cut the marketing budget? Would you cut the recruiting budget? Would you raise revenues, and if so, how would you do that - exactly?

I agree that if we want to be a big time basketball program, we have 2 choices. Bring in less experienced coaches and pay them commensurate with their (limited) qualifications, or figure out a way to pay top 10 salaries. Both have their merits and both have their drawbacks. Plus, paying big bucks does not guarantee we will have a great coach. And we do not know if more money would have kept Fred here and Cael here.

And I am still butt hurt about losing Fred and Cael.
 

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Gogagig, I don't disagree with your suggestion to pay Fred more, but please answer one question. Where would you get the money from? Would you cut other coaches' salaries? Would you reduce travel expenses? Would you cut the marketing budget? Would you cut the recruiting budget? Would you raise revenues, and if so, how would you do that - exactly?

I agree that if we want to be a big time basketball program, we have 2 choices. Bring in less experienced coaches and pay them commensurate with their (limited) qualifications, or figure out a way to pay top 10 salaries. Both have their merits and both have their drawbacks. Plus, paying big bucks does not guarantee we will have a great coach. And we do not know if more money would have kept Fred here and Cael here.

And I am still butt hurt about losing Fred and Cael.

Where? Donors that were willing or golf.
 

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Gogagig, I don't disagree with your suggestion to pay Fred more, but please answer one question. Where would you get the money from? Would you cut other coaches' salaries? Would you reduce travel expenses? Would you cut the marketing budget? Would you cut the recruiting budget? Would you raise revenues, and if so, how would you do that - exactly?

I agree that if we want to be a big time basketball program, we have 2 choices. Bring in less experienced coaches and pay them commensurate with their (limited) qualifications, or figure out a way to pay top 10 salaries. Both have their merits and both have their drawbacks. Plus, paying big bucks does not guarantee we will have a great coach. And we do not know if more money would have kept Fred here and Cael here.

And I am still butt hurt about losing Fred and Cael.

Anyone that thinks money would have kept Fred here is living with their head in the sand. Cael, on the other hand, I do think JP screwed up with. I think Cael just wanted to be shown a commitment to win and be the best. JP wouldn't give that to him and PSU would.
 

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Gogagig, I don't disagree with your suggestion to pay Fred more, but please answer one question. Where would you get the money from? Would you cut other coaches' salaries? Would you reduce travel expenses? Would you cut the marketing budget? Would you cut the recruiting budget? Would you raise revenues, and if so, how would you do that - exactly?

I agree that if we want to be a big time basketball program, we have 2 choices. Bring in less experienced coaches and pay them commensurate with their (limited) qualifications, or figure out a way to pay top 10 salaries. Both have their merits and both have their drawbacks. Plus, paying big bucks does not guarantee we will have a great coach. And we do not know if more money would have kept Fred here and Cael here.

And I am still butt hurt about losing Fred and Cael.

I don't necessarily have a problem with what Fred was being paid. But I have a problem with the 2 things I noted earlier:

(i) ISU/JP lied that Fred was getting a top 10 public university salary. This is an egregious error, if it can even be considered an error. It is a gross distortion of the truth, and not simply some sneaky accounting. JP should get much more heat than he has been getting for such dishonesty and deception. There may have been significant holes in Hines' story but there is this massive hole in JP's story too.

(ii) I can buy that we couldn't pay Fred a lot. But despite all the accounting tricks JP used -- 10 year contracts, average salaries, etc. -- it is disgraceful that Fred was paid only 100k more than Rhoads for 2014. If you had 3.5 million from which you had to allocate salaries to Fred and Rhoads, how would you do it? JP decided 1.8m to Fred and 1.7 to Rhoads.
 

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I don't necessarily have a problem with what Fred was being paid. But I have a problem with the 2 things I noted earlier:

(i) ISU/JP lied that Fred was getting a top 10 public university salary. This is an egregious error, if it can even be considered an error. It is a gross distortion of the truth, and not simply some sneaky accounting. JP should get much more heat than he has been getting for such dishonesty and deception. There may have been significant holes in Hines' story but there is this massive hole in JP's story too.

(ii) I can buy that we couldn't pay Fred a lot. But despite all the accounting tricks JP used -- 10 year contracts, average salaries, etc. -- it is disgraceful that Fred was paid only 100k more than Rhoads for 2014. If you had 3.5 million from which you had to allocate salaries to Fred and Rhoads, how would you do it? JP decided 1.8m to Fred and 1.7 to Rhoads.

Yeah, except that's not how contracts work.
 

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Anyone that thinks money would have kept Fred here is living with their head in the sand. Cael, on the other hand, I do think JP screwed up with. I think Cael just wanted to be shown a commitment to win and be the best. JP wouldn't give that to him and PSU would.
Cael wanted to win. He felt it was a better path at Penn State. Plain and simple. That is more about Cael then it was about what ISU.
 

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[FONT=&amp]The deciding factor was the article by T Hines concerning ISU BB. My opinion of Hines has been somewhat positive (comparatively speaking) but my observation is that the latest effort is nothing more than grocery store tabloid journalism. Need to create attention for yourself write an article where rumors, innuendo and a whole bunch of accusations from people without the backbone to allow the use of their names is the source,[/FONT][FONT=&amp]get it out into today’s idiotic social media and then sit back and consider yourselves to actually be journalists – less than mediocre journalists at best. [/FONT]

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I don't think calling JP cheap is really the right word. Frugal.....no doubt. How the hell else do you add over 150 million in facility improvements over 10 years despite your main revenue sport having only 2 (barely) winning records in those 10 years. You don't do that by being a spendthrift or acting like you have the money Texas or Kentucky has. Name one other school with a similar budget that has improved the facilities to the point ISU has over the last decade.

It was a sensationalized article....based on virtually no facts that were totally accurate but rather just b.s. from un-named sources that don't have the nerve or decency to have their name connected to the story or the claims they made. Yeah....that is truly great journalism.
you are correct
Had you been at the Thursday Cyclone lunch where Pollard decapitated every accusation in the newspaper article, you would know it was a hatchet job on Pollard and Hoiberg. Ames tribune is guilty from the newspaper Editor down to the scrub reporter Hines, who cherrypicked his facts, which he got wrong and wrote an article totally offbase. I have seen this type of thinking before where salespeople, who weren't aware of the facts behind a decision, went off half cocked with assumptions, which finally confronted with the true facts were like Hines, totally wrong. He got info from some idiots making assumptions about decisions that they were never involved with but had their wrong assumptions to keep them warm and fuzzy. Pollard explained the facts and reasons, which were easily accepted as true by the crowd, especially since Fred had already contacted Pollard and told Pollard to let him, Fred tell KXNO that the whole Hubbub was totally wrong and that he had no problem with Pollard.

Hines needs to report only on cooking shows for the tribune, where only recipes can be be screwed up. Jamie was most distressed by the black eye ISU has been given by the national press picking up and printing the totally incorrect facts in the story. WHEN DID THE AMES TRIBUNE BECOME A CHECKOUT LANE GARBAGE TABLOID?​
 
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Gogagig, I don't disagree with your suggestion to pay Fred more, but please answer one question. Where would you get the money from?

If we could fit CPR with a belt holder for his headset, we wouldn't have to pay a specialist to be his shadow and hold the receiver. Perhaps make it a project for the engineering college to design something for the coaches. Profit.
 

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[FONT=&amp]Primarily because of the low quality of your sports department. I have been considering cancelling for some time[/FONT][FONT=&amp]as my opinion of the work done by your sports editor is relatively low.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]The deciding factor was the article by T Hines concerning ISU BB. My opinion of Hines has been somewhat positive (comparatively speaking) but my observation is that the latest effort is nothing more than grocery store tabloid journalism. Need to create attention for yourself write an article where rumors, innuendo and a whole bunch of accusations from people without the backbone to allow the use of their names is the source,[/FONT][FONT=&amp]get it out into today’s idiotic social media and then sit back and consider yourselves to actually be journalists – less than mediocre journalists at best. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Added with the fact I can get essentially every bit of info I get from the Tribune other places and anywhere from 1-2 to days [/FONT][FONT=&amp]earlier without the smart *** , know it all attitude of your sports editor.[/FONT]

I hope you didn't sent that...and if you did, you signed it wcoyote and not your real name.
 

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you are correct
Had you been at the Thursday Cyclone lunch where Pollard decapitated every accusation in the newspaper article, you would know it was a hatchet job on Pollard and Hoiberg. Ames tribune is guilty from the newspaper Editor down to the scrub reporter Hines, who cherrypicked his facts, which he got wrong and wrote an article totally offbase. I have seen this type of thinking before where salespeople, who weren't aware of the facts behind a decision, went off half cocked with assumptions, which finally confronted with the true facts were like Hines, totally wrong. He got info from some idiots making assumptions about decisions that they were never involved with but had their wrong assumptions to keep them warm and fuzzy. Pollard explained the facts and reasons, which were easily accepted as true by the crowd, especially since Fred had already contacted Pollard and told Pollard to let him, Fred tell KXNO that the whole Hubbub was totally wrong and that he had no problem with Pollard.

Hines needs to report only on cooking shows for the tribune, where only recipes can be be screwed up. Jamie was most distressed by the black eye ISU has been given by the national press picking up and printing the totally incorrect facts in the story. WHEN DID THE AMES TRIBUNE BECOME A CHECKOUT LANE GARBAGE TABLOID?​

I believe Fred and Jamie before believing that obvious crap that the Tribune was putting out. Just free-thinking here. What if Travis was pulling a "Baghdad Bob" type of performance? Say that he was ordered to write the story and so decided to do such a terrible job of it that everyone would know that it was not true and was a joke? Nnaaa... that's really reaching for it.
 

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Cael wanted to win. He felt it was a better path at Penn State. Plain and simple. That is more about Cael then it was about what ISU.

A check with seven figures in it doesn't hurt either.
 

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