REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[isukendall]

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Insinuating that this is why Fred left is pretty silly. I honestly don't see much here. Yes there were some mistakes but none of this leads me to believe there was a major schism between Fred and the athletic department.

They didn't spend a night in the ball room, the article states that they slept in the ball room for hours (whatever that means) I assume after check-out time and before they were coming back home to avoid being charged for another day of stay, which is not unreasonable at all. We are probably talking about a time frame after 10 or 11 AM check out.

Not sure what to think of the rest of the article. If true, Pollard has some things to work on. Seeing how the above situation was sensationalized by the author, I am having a harder time believing the rest of the article is 100% and not sensationalized.

I too am a little skeptical of the article - seems pretty sensationalized to me. Ballroom incident seems overblown. Without anybody showing their identity, saying "near double digit" anonymous people sounded off with the supposedly same thing seems sketchy to me as well. Of course nobody wants to give up their identity, but I don't think this holds much water until the accusers can publicly answer questions.

I really don't think we were sold a line about Hoiberg to the NBA - I don't think there is anything that could have prevented that move. It was about the opportunity, not moving on.

Will be interesting to see what JP does for damage control, and what Hoiberg will have to say about it.

 

[DeereClone]

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This is exactly why there will be NO high caliber football coaches wanting to come the ISU if we let CPR go.

I think our status as one of the 4 or 5 worst football programs ever has more to do with it.

 

[CYCLNST8]

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So, making a team who just played 3-4 games in a 3 day period by making them sleep on the flipping floor is right? Come on, we're a big 12 basketball team. **** like that shouldn't happen at all. I can almost guarantee you, that doesn't happen anywhere else in this conference.

Did you not read my 2nd paragraph?

 

[Wesley]

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This all started with bubu imo. I've heard from several people Fred was furious over that whole ordeal. It was the crack in the foundation that grew over time. I'm guessing that's why all the little pretty things became more bothersome for Fred

Man what an ugly part of isu history all around that was

Yep, Fred was very very upset.

 

[1Nation]

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For Hines to burn the Pollard bridge there must be something major going on behind the curtains.

Additionally, Pollard gets a lot of credit for improving the facilities at Iowa State, but ultimately I think it’s a “right time, right place” scenario. TV deals and the college facility “arms” race were both just beginning to heat up when Pollard took over. In my book all he’s ever really been responsible for are letting Cael leave and letting Fred leave.

The facilities would’ve happened with or without him. I also blame him for the stupid logo that I can’t stand.

 

[Jer]

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I am very happy he had the balls to write that article. I posted suggestions to much of what he wrote back when the Fred to Bulls rumors started heating up and then again when discussing JP's refusal to pay up to keep Fred (said it then that donors were prepared to cover up to 5mil/yr), and finally again when the new coaching search was underway and JP refused to pay up again.

JP has done great things rebuilding ISU but he is a program builder, not somebody that can take it to the next level, he's simply too cheap to ever get ISU the sustained coaching pedigree it needs. The guy has been great, but his ego can't fit in Hilton with a bigger name taking away his spotlight.

Go back and read some of those posts for more context on why JP is a hinderance to future growth and success of ISU. I'll say it again, I can't be happier to have some people understand the bigger picture here and back up much of what I've been saying for some time.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

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I don't think they checked out early. It looks like they needed to check out by the normal check out time for the hotel (probably 10 or 11 AM) or they would be charged for the next night as well, which is very normal. They checked out to avoid that next night charge, and were put up in a hotel ball room where the team slept. The team probably could have sat in the hotel lobby and watched TV, went to a near-by restaurant to eat and watch TV, etc but they were tired from playing a tournament and probably being up late the night before (not that I blame them or that is a problem) so they chose to sleep.

the fact that Hines stretched this individual story this far makes me seriously question the rest of the article.

If that many people within the program had a problem with it, it's a problem

 

[DesertClone1]

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Did you not read my 2nd paragraph?

woops, yeah. my bad.

 

[clone136]

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Jamie put down the transfer "culture" when McDermott was coach. Since then he didn't say **** about it.

You're implying Jamie told Fred to stop with the transfers which is utterly not true.

I am going off what the article said. So maybe stop was the wrong word. Either way playing favorites isnt fun, but you know who deserves to be the favorite? Fred Hoiberg, for the sole reason he is the favorite.

 

[Judoka]

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I don't think they checked out early. It looks like they needed to check out by the normal check out time for the hotel (probably 10 or 11 AM) or they would be charged for the next night as well, which is very normal. They checked out to avoid that next night charge, and were put up in a hotel ball room where the team slept. The team probably could have sat in the hotel lobby and watched TV, went to a near-by restaurant to eat and watch TV, etc but they were tired from playing a tournament and probably being up late the night before (not that I blame them or that is a problem) so they chose to sleep.

the fact that Hines stretched this individual story this far makes me seriously question the rest of the article.

I wouldn't say it makes me question the rest of the article. But I did think it was by far the weakest allegation so I don't know why he would have led with that instead of something more substantial. Checking out and then killing a few hours until it is time to check in is pretty standard for anybody who travels.

 

[isufbcurt]

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I think our status as one of the 4 or 5 worst football programs ever has more to do with it.

That too, but this won't help

 

[Spam]

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Is this Hines' way of auditioning for the Des Moines Register? It's the kind of thing they produce

(I should add that I am glad Hines uncovered some of this if true)

 

[Wesley]

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Pollard may have just become the most disliked man in Ames. Pretty bold thing for Hines to report

We always knew JP ran a cheap program. We did not know how cheap.

 

[DeereClone]

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So, making a team who just played 3-4 games in a 3 day period by making them sleep on the flipping floor is right? Come on, we're a big 12 basketball team. **** like that shouldn't happen at all. I can almost guarantee you, that doesn't happen anywhere else in this conference.

Once again, the article appears to state (notice how broad and unspecified all this is) that they spent time in a ball room after check out and before their plane ride.

 

[Cydkar]

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I do hate the timing of it though since the season is just a month away. Write this in June or July please.

Journalists' job isn't to protect people.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

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That too, but this won't help

Have a little feeling that Pollard may not be here much longer. When you pull this kind of stuff, people lose jobs.

 

[jsb]

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Here's the thing. The sources are probably doc,Matt A, maybe some hoiberg family members, maybe some players parents. Docs the only one who knows how college basketball works. The rest were used to nbs perks and budgets.

Hoiberg was was used to working with an nba budget. That was never going to happen here. Hard enough to pay hoiberg market value. And Fred was apparently ****** he wasn't making market value.

 

[SuperTrooper]

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Hines isn't lying, the sources obviously are coming from the Hoiberg side of this but I wonder what made this all come out.

That's what I'm wondering also. My out of left field guess is someone wanted it written. But that's just a guess.

Checking out in the morning doesn't seem like that big of deal. They probably should have done something instead of sitting around the hotel all day. I would bet any school that didn't charter their own plane over to the islands would do the same thing.

Making the BBall staff families pay for their transportation while the AD families didn't is a bit unfair.

 

[Tre4ISU]

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I too am a little skeptical of the article - seems pretty sensationalized to me. Ballroom incident seems overblown. Without anybody showing their identity, saying "near double digit" anonymous people sounded off with the supposedly same thing seems sketchy to me as well. Of course nobody wants to give up their identity, but I don't think this holds much water until the accusers can publicly answer questions.

I really don't think we were sold a line about Hoiberg to the NBA - I don't think there is anything that could have prevented that move. It was about the opportunity, not moving on.

Will be interesting to see what JP does for damage control, and what Hoiberg will have to say about it.

I think he really wanted to go to the NBA but he wasn't completely happy here. There's a reason he talked to Minnesota and it's not because of their history.

I've always been pretty supportive of Pollard but it seems to me he's gotten a sort of a god complex and it's becoming annoying.

 

[DeereClone]

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If that many people within the program had a problem with it, it's a problem

The convo could have gone like this:

Hines: so what did you guys do the day after the championship?
Source: we slept in a hotel ball room waiting for our plane ride home
Hines: you slept in the ball room? why didnt you sleep in your rooms?
Source: they made us check out of our rooms to save money
Hines: what did you think of that
Source: that was bush league man, we were tired, and had to sleep on the floor with our luggage and stuff

Article never said all the (close to double digit, what the heck does that even mean? 2? 8? 9?) sources were around this incident, so it could have been 1 or two players that Hines selected to interview.