REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[ribsnwhiskey]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I'm inclined to believe about 10% of that story. Unless Fred and Jamie go on the record about any of it, it is all hearsay by "anonymous sources"

 

[Cyballzz]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Maybe they aren't sold on how the AD is being ran.

ISU should have no problem buying out Pollard than should it?

 

[fsanford]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

None of that is why Fred left....none.

If your boss is an a-hole, and another good opportunity exists, you stay and work with the a-hole?

 

[Dryburn]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

We will probably never know the full truth. The problem is.......this is not good for ISU and in particular not good for the MBB program. There's already links to the story all over Twitter, including from national sportswriters, so no good is going to come from this. It's certainly not going to help with recruiting.

I do think this is probably the beginning of the end for JP though.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I want to hear JP's version of the story, but I doubt we'll here that anytime soon. And even then it would be tough to believe him.

 

[mustangcy]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I think the letter sent out by JP that said coaching salaries were a reason for increased ticket cost was the one and only time JP really crossed the line. I think that had to of upset Fred.

 

[CysRage]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Couldn't be better timing for a Cyclone Club luncheon with JP being the headline speaker. That might be a luncheon worth going to with ISU's biggest donors being there.

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[cytown]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I'm inclined to believe about 10% of that story. Unless Fred and Jamie go on the record about any of it, it is all hearsay by "anonymous sources"

Where does 10% come from?

 

[CyRann22]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I want to hear JP's version of the story, but I doubt we'll here that anytime soon. And even then it would be tough to believe him.

He was kind of tough to believe before.

 

[isufbcurt]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

We will probably never know the full truth. The problem is.......this is not good for ISU and in particular not good for the MBB program. There's already links to the story all over Twitter, including from national sportswriters, so no good is going to come from this. It's certainly not going to help with recruiting.

I do think this is probably the beginning of the end for JP though.

Yeah I bet Hines didn't take that into consideration. This makes it easier for competitors to negative recruit.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Re: Hoiberg and ISU admin relationship

This doesn't seem that out-of-the-norm to me:

The morning after winning the tournament, ISU administration told the Cyclones to check out of their hotel rooms to save a night’s charges even though they wouldn’t depart for hours, according to sources.“It was an incredibly cheap move,â€￾ a source said.Many players and staff spent their downtime in a ballroom filled with luggage, bodies and even the ceremonial paddles that were awarded to players as all-tournament trophies.​

What does the second sentence in this paragraph even mean? It looks like an incomplete sentence to me:

One issue was a change requiring assistant coaches to pay for home game tickets in 2014-15, which were previously provided free of charge. The athletic department insinuated it would like to see the transfer model, which jump-started and sustained ISU’s success by bringing in players such as Royce White, Will Clyburn and DeAndre Kane, curtailed, sources said.



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Not sure what's wrong with that. Nobody slept on an airport floor. They had the room, woke up and checked out for a flight that day? It's what I would do and I spend money like a drunken sailor.

 

[mj4cy]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

I think the letter sent out by JP that said coaching salaries were a reason for increased ticket cost was the one and only time JP really crossed the line. I think that had to of upset Fred.

But isn't JP in a lose lose situation? We don't pay the coaches, they move on and fans are upset. We pay the coaches and we have to get the money from somewhere...and fans are upset.

 

[SCNCY]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

The hotel thing seems to be overblown. Sounds like the team had to hang out in a room until their flights left and decided to sleep. I don't know what the time difference is between here and Hawaii, but I'm sure they were suffering from jet lag. I think the only thing I would want to know is if the team had a choice to go out and do something before their flight that day or if they were forced to do nothing.

For the tickets, I would think that the coaches families should get tickets, but outside of them probably not. Not sure what the industry norm is. I would also be curious if when everyone was getting tickets, how many of those would actually be used by the family, or sold to others. If they were being sold to others, then I agree with taking them away.

As far as the money Hoiberg was making, it sounds like there was an impasse between the donors wanting a long term commitment and Hoiberg not giving it.

As others have said, we don't have piles of cash that UK or KU have to completely spoil their team (special dorms, chartered flights everywhere, etc.). So things have to be kept in a budget, thought it'd be nice if we could.

I think the comparison between Fred leaving and Cael leaving are different. I think with Fred, we were willing to pay to keep him, due to the donors willing to give the money, but not receiving the long term commitment. For Cael, I remember the reason he left was that he wanted a dedicated/new facility for his team to practice in, something that PSU gave him (not sure how much was due to JP). At the time, we were operating on a budget of around $40 million and were focused on spending more resources on our revenue sports as opposed to non-revenue sports. For Cael leaving, I don't think there was much room to negotiate.

 

[mj4cy]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

What really sucks is this is probably going to be a distraction for Prohm in some form or fashion. He or the players don't deserve that.

 

[alarson]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Couldn't be better timing for a Cyclone Club luncheon with JP being the headline speaker. That might be a luncheon worth going to with ISU's biggest donors being there.

John Walters Retweeted
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Cyclone Club ‏@Cyclone_Club 2h2 hours ago
Join us tomorrow for our monthly luncheon featuring @IASTATEAD and @JWcyclonestv at @isualum! #cyclONEnation




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[Spam]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Perhaps Cael Sanderson left for similar reasons

 

[fsanford]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Yeah I bet Hines didn't take that into consideration. This makes it easier for competitors to negative recruit.

I am not sure it stretches into that realm, kids play for a coach(es) and the practice facility is one of the best in the country.

The Texas AD was a big a-hole and Texas football is pulled a couple of very good classes..

But I suppose it cannot help.

 

[KcClone01]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

While this doesn't look good on JP's resume. He has still on the whole improved ISU's standing regionally and nationally, (even if the teams don't always show it competitively). He is light years better than Bruce Van De Velde, that guy cut more athletic programs and took the athletic program from arguably its past peak of existence (under Gene Smith) to the gutter.

Looking at the big picture, I'll give JP a chance to keep improving ISU's standing regionally and nationally, but articles like these don't help his case.

 

[HGoat]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Exactly. The sources were hoiberg people. Hell, I'm guessing his family was involved as some sources And you can bet your *** Matt a wouldn't talk about it without talking to Fred. And if this is part of why he left, then it should come out.

But fred can't play both sides. He can't have completely clean hands in this.

He can, and he will, because he is Fred Hoiberg.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Where does 10% come from?

A random number? I mean, I could say zero, but that would be saying Hines made it all up, which he didn't. I don't think either side of the story is completely without blame but it all sounds really petty to me.