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REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

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laminak said:
Both Pollard and Hoiberg went on the radio and refuted the story.

The sleeping in the ballroom was overblown--they checked out at noon and had a 6 PM flight, so a handful of hours.

The paying for staff family's flights was either Hawaii or the NCAA tournament.

Hoiberg stated he had no issue with Pollard and money wasn't the issue with him leaving for Chicago.
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And requiring assistant coaches to buy their basketball tickets was proven false as well.

Other than that, the story nailed it!
 
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Triggermv said:
Yeah, and those on here saying that this isn't true because it has been well refuted are stupid for saying that. If not, tell me this, if an opposing coach were to whip out the Hines article in front of a recruit as a negative recruiting tool, do you really think 1. the recruit already knows all the details about the situation, so they'd obviously just dismiss it, or 2. the recruit will do his due diligence to listen to Hoiberg and Pollard's refute of the situation, as well as all other opposing details in order to develop a more level-headed informed opinion? Doubt it. Most probably have never heard of the situation until that point and are probably influenced at least somewhat by the information. Most probably wouldn't even bring it up to the ISU coaches to give them a chance to defend the situation, but maybe some do. My guess is they'd simply just store it in the back of the mind and have it play some small part in their overall decision, along with many other things. Again, we've got enough going against us, this surely can't help things. Lets just hope the damage is manageable.
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Yep - they can talk all about it in their state of the art dedicated practice facility. No impact on recruiting.
 
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Just wanted to point out one thing that was NOT refuted and was corroborated by Keith Murphy and is lost because the same maroons ******** about the sensational headline are only focusing on the sensational headline:

Much of the friction is believed to stem from the last re-negotiation of Hoiberg’s contract after the Cyclones reached the NCAA tournament’s Sweet 16 in 2014, according to multiple sources.Hoiberg signed a 10-year, $20-million contract after going to a second-straight NCAA tournament while also being courted by the University of Minnesota in 2013. After that Sweet 16 appearance in 2014, he commanded a raise of $600,000 per year that those with knowledge of the negotiations believe Pollard was reluctant to award Hoiberg.“(Pollard) didn’t want to give it to him,” one source stated.Those in the program also bristled at how Hoiberg’s contract was presented and discussed in public by administration, sources said. In its press release announcing the raise, ISU declared Hoiberg’s new terms would “rank him near the top-10 paid coaches nationally,” citing an average compensation worth $2.6 million over the life of the contract. Those terms were consistently publicized by ISU administration in the last year.The deal, though, included a $100,000 per year escalation, meaning Hoiberg made $2.2 million in 2014-15 and wouldn’t reach $2.6 until 2018-19. In an era of exploding coaching salaries, $2.6 million wouldn’t even crack the top-15 highest-paid coaches in the 2015 NCAA tournament, according to USA TODAY’s salary database.Hoiberg’s compensation in his final season at ISU ranked seventh in the Big 12, according to published reports.“They were always saying he was a top-10 paid coach and was making $2.6 million,” said one source, “but Fred wasn’t making $2.6 million, and by the time he would be, it wouldn’t be anywhere near the top-10.”Beyond how the terms were presented publically, those within the basketball program felt as though Hoiberg’s contract was often portrayed as a hindrance to the athletic department.- See more at: http://amestrib.com/sports/men-s-ba...iberg-s-cyclones-and-isu#sthash.bktn9o0y.dpuf​
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Any summaries of the thread. Don't want to read 1000 posts.

Who are the leading suspects of the unnamed sources? Former players? Former coaches? Donors? MBB staff? Seems like Travis Hines let them lead him into a really bad place with the Athletic Department.

Did Travis Hines take a job in Iowa City?
 
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Gunnerclone said:
Just wanted to point out one thing that was NOT refuted and was corroborated by Keith Murphy and is lost because the same maroons ******** about the sensational headline are only focusing on the sensational headline:

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I'm sure there was tension in those discussions. Employers want to pay employees as little as they can and employees want to make as much as they can. I would guess 95% of contract extensions/raises in college sports have a good amount of tension.

And if Fred or his people were upset he was the 7th highest paid Big 12 coach, they have that right. But Fred has ONE Sweet 16 appearance. How many do the other 6 have? How many Final Fours? Outside of Travis Ford, who should Fred be making more than? Self? Kruger? Barnes? Huggins? Drew? Hoiberg's resume doesn't hold a candle to those guys.
 
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Fred said not to offer him a contract because he wanted this NBA job. He knew if big raise was offered from Iowa State it would have been hard to say no.
 
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cycloneworld said:
I'm sure there was tension in those discussions. Employers want to pay employees as little as they can and employees want to make as much as they can. I would guess 95% of contract extensions/raises in college sports have a good amount of tension.

And if Fred or his people were upset he was the 7th highest paid Big 12 coach, they have that right. But Fred has ONE Sweet 16 appearance. How many do the other 6 have? How many Final Fours? Outside of Travis Ford, who should Fred be making more than? Self? Kruger? Barnes? Huggins? Drew? Hoiberg's resume doesn't hold a candle to those guys.
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It had nothing to do with the actual contract. Listen to what Keith said about it during the Hines interview. He said he KNEW that the way that contract was used and portrayed to people (including students) by the AD irked Fred. So is Keith the new Hines now? Because I believe Keith and I doubt Keith said that if Fred or someone with the last name of Hoiberg hadn't told him that. It wasn't about the contract details, it was about the way that the contract was being leveraged by the AD to the Cyclone community.
 
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Cycsk said:
Any summaries of the thread. Don't want to read 1000 posts.

Who are the leading suspects of the unnamed sources? Former players? Former coaches? Donors? MBB staff? Seems like Travis Hines let them lead him into a really bad place with the Athletic Department.

Did Travis Hines take a job in Iowa City?
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I'm guessing the ballroom exaggeration is whatever former staff person had to watch the guys luggage in a ballroom in Hawaii while they went swimming with the Hoiberg twins.

Someone said Hawks own the Ames Tribune. Not sure if that is true or not.

Could people please quit quoting Tuco? Why the heck couldn't his ban have stuck instead of letting him continually troll under a new username?
 
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Have you ever seen a team at the airport? It pretty much sounds like the scene in the ballroom, even when the plane is on time, but certainly if there is a delay. They just sort of spread out everywhere.
 
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Gunnerclone said:
Just wanted to point out one thing that was NOT refuted and was corroborated by Keith Murphy and is lost because the same maroons ******** about the sensational headline are only focusing on the sensational headline:
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Doesn't the sensationalized story, fact-checking that proves TH wrong, and the general stink that this story has to it make you not believe everything else in the story? sorry but as a journalist when you lie, whiff, don't fact check, sensationalize, etc you lose your credibility and the rest of what he said has to be in question now.

I called that in post #48 of this thread, before any of this broke, saying that the hotel story seemed petty and had holes in it all over the place, and because of that, it made me question the rest of the article.
 
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RustShack said:
Fred said not to offer him a contract because he wanted this NBA job. He knew if big raise was offered from Iowa State it would have been hard to say no.
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You'd think we'd want to make it hard for Fred to say no.
 
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farminclone said:
Doesn't the sensationalized story, fact-checking that proves TH wrong, and the general stink that this story has to it make you not believe everything else in the story? sorry but as a journalist when you lie, whiff, don't fact check, sensationalize, etc you lose your credibility and the rest of what he said has to be in question now.

I called that in post #48 of this thread, before any of this broke, saying that the hotel story seemed petty and had holes in it all over the place, and because of that, it made me question the rest of the article.
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Congrats man, you're awesome. So are you saying that Keith Murphy is now also lying?
 
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