REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

johnnydugouts

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Correct, however Hoiberg didn't have to refute the story and did. His comments carry more weight than Jamie's or an annoymous source.

Even some of Pollard's comments line up with Fred's and the verifiable attacks about the sleeping in the ballroom and family travel arrangements. Thus some of Pollard's comments can be verified over an annoymous source's.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

just a tip in life, just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they dont understand.
 

VeloClone

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I keep thinking about Fred saying he told him that it wasn't true and not to publish the article and Hines saying that Fred was never available for comment. Perhaps Fred saw how badly the truth was being twisted and he demanded that any on the record comments be published in full or not at all so that Hines didn't take any of his comments out of context. When Hines refused he simply said that he had no on the record comments. I don't know if that happened but it would seem to make sense.

As far as Jamie, I can understand why he wouldn't want to be ambushed on the day of the publishing deadline. It probably appeared to him that the article was complete and anything he said would simply be a footnote in an article that he had already been tipped off by Fred as full of half truths and inaccuracies to put it mildly. I know you don't always get the luxury of telling the press "no - I'm not going to be ambushed by you if you have already made up your mind", but he obviously thought he wasn't going to go through that again. Would Hines have missed the deadline if JP had told him that he could provide documentation that allegations were untrue if given a couple of days? His response to Fred when told that it wasn't true and not to publish it suggests to me the answer is no.
 

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DOnors do not and CAN not run the program. We desperately need their money but it is JP (and Leath) who LEAD the program and are ultimately responsible. Out of control donors create REALLY good stories.

More power to JP! He's doing a very public job where everyone gets an opportunity to anonymously critique him.

Someone posted earlier that donors HAD created a $5mm/year "offer" but Fred was unwilling to commit beyond year-to-year. Maybe that's the precedent JP was trying to avoid.

exactly. One major donor pushed for Billy Clyde when Fred got hired. Thankfully, Jamie didn't listen to that donor.

Donors are not always right. ADs are not always right.
 

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When did Hines contact Jamie for a quote and when did he publish the story? Pollard addressed it on the radio show that he was contacted Monday about a Wednesday release. He stated he wasn't going to comment as at that point, the story was written.

If Pollard is full of it, then Hines needs to come out and state he made attempts to contact Pollard weeks ago (specific dates/times would help) for comment, not right after the story was written and before the story was to be released.

How does he know? And could it not be changed? Was it already sent by train across the country to the only newpaper printing press able to do the all new Times New Roman font and once put on the train it can't be stopped?
 

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How does he know? And could it not be changed? Was it already sent by train across the country to the only newpaper printing press able to do the all new Times New Roman font and once put on the train it can't be stopped?

Because it was an ambush piece with the narrative already written, hence a bias/conclusion was already drawn. If Hines had no Wed publish date or contacted Pollard three weeks ago like when he talked to Fred, it would better show being neutral/fact-finding.
 

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How does he know? And could it not be changed? Was it already sent by train across the country to the only newpaper printing press able to do the all new Times New Roman font and once put on the train it can't be stopped?

TH called JP Monday, to set up a meeting for Wednesday, about the story that was being published Wednesday.
 

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I suppose some donors want to pony up to fire CPR, some want to keep him, so they run a successful basketball program through the muck out of frustration?
 

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How does he know? And could it not be changed? Was it already sent by train across the country to the only newpaper printing press able to do the all new Times New Roman font and once put on the train it can't be stopped?

Jamie claimed he was called on earlier this week for comment "on a story that was going to run on Wednesday", I think that was in the radio interview.
 

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Thats really a non-issue. Pollard said the new terms would rank him "near" the top 10 nationally. He was top 25, so Pollard exagerated a little bit.

Sure, he was 7th in the Big 12 in coaches salary, but every coach ahead of him had a better resume that Fred does.
Bill Self (yes), Rick Barnes, Bob Huggins, Lon Kruger, Bruce Webber, Tubby Smith and Scott Drew have all accomplished more than Fred has. Given time, I think Fred would out do them all, though.

It would **** me off If I had to hear over and over a lie my boss was telling about my salary relative to my peers. 1 because it wasn't true, and 2. Ibecause it makes everyone think I am receiving some unwarranted salary supported by them.

It would grate on me and it sounds like it grated on fred. He skirted that question when Keith asked about it.
 

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Jamie claimed he was called on earlier this week for comment "on a story that was going to run on Wednesday", I think that was in the radio interview.

I think he said called on Monday to set up a talk on Wednesday to discuss an article being published Wednesday. For a piece Hines supposedly spent five months writing, cause you know, that's fair and objective.:rolleyes:
 

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I guess if you have big donors upset because they want to give money for a particular purpose and it was turned away why remain anonymous?

Only valid conclusion I can come up with, other than having no backbone, is that a donor wants to create a crapstorm that ousts the AD so they can donate to said pet project in the next AD administration.

Or they honestly thought their $1mil was going to keep Fred here and they just can't let it go.
 

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Keith Murphy asked Jaime Pollard about this plainly. Jamie said the press releases from the AD side were never misleading in this regard, it was media reports using the "average salary" of the contract to rank coaches' salaries that were in turn misleading. Jamie also said he spoke with Fred about this when they gave him that extension and raise, that he should be prepared for more scrutiny from fans on that topic.

I think Murphy also asked Fred something along those lines, more about how JP framed 'increasing salaries' as the reason costs were going up for fans, and Fred blew it off as not that big of a deal.

Really it seems to me when you hear anything from Jamie or Fred about their interactions with each other, it rings out to be 100% opposite from what the Hines article alleges. I have always come away from conversations or interviews from our coaches and from JP that they have a great working relationship, personally and professionally and nothing gets held back when they work with each other.
No Fred skirted the question and went to his talking point. The only time he did this and as a pretty good ******** detector I very much got the sense he didn't want to answer that question but keep it about the big picture.
 

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It would grate on me and it sounds like it grated on fred. He skirted that question when Keith asked about it.

Keith asked both JP and Fred about it, I thought JP refuted it pretty well, from his perspective. When asked, I didn't think it seemed like it was a big deal to Fred.

And to be accurate, JP claimed that the AD never claimed 'the average salary' and the top 10 line, that was all from external media using the average contract salary to rank the coaches' salaries. He said both CFH and CPR chose on their own to sign longer contracts with back-loaded raises, which technically raises their average contract salary above what they are making the actual year in question.
 

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No Fred skirted the question and went to his talking point. The only time he did this and as a pretty good ******** detector I very much got the sense he didn't want to answer that question but keep it about the big picture.

Not wanting to answer the question in that manner doesn't inherently mean that he was PO'd at Jamie about this.
 

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Travis confirmed the Monday timeline on the Sports Fanatics show.

Maybe someone in the profession can help me out but how do you spend 4-5 months researching the story and yet you don't contact the #1 or #2 person the article is about until 2 days before it goes to print.

Unless it's a hit piece, that doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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Cyclones.com announcement of Hoiberg salary increase.

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