Mangino OUT as OC. Sturdy is the guy!

[isufbcurt]

Why did no one ask the important question: "Will Sturdy be in the Box or on the field?"

LOL

 

[GetAwesome]

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[1234]

Coach Mangino probably came into his office and said I told you so Paul. We should have been playing Lanning a lot sooner like I wanted.

If you listen to the Cyclones.com interviews on Thursdays with the Coordinators, Mark was very high Lanning.

It is so tough for a program to be successful having to change coordinators every other year.

 

[cycloneworld]

Certainly not a Rhoads apologist here, but I've heard rumors within the program that some of the personal issues have come about because of MM's percieved lack of professionalism. Like Mangino showing up 45 mins. late on gameday to the coaches meetings. Story goes that Rhoads laid into him in front of everyone and Mangino came back at CPR with a shot at his record. May not be all true but take all that fwiw. What I have heard that is more than just hearsay is that Mangino is the one who wanted to keep Richardson in the last few weeks, which is what many others have been saying. Paul has said since MM got here that he would have complete control of the offense, and Mangino wants to run a spread attack using short quick passes. Sturdy and Rhoads realize that the only thing this offense does well is run the ball, and Lanning makes them more productive doing that. I was surprised to hear that Rhoads supposedly wants a run heavy attack with more throws downfield, which surprises me since we haven't really seen that under him. Either way, I think it's also a sign that CPR AND Mangino both know that they'll both be out of a job by year's end without a major change, and one or both decided that it would happen their way or the highway. So if Rhoads gets fired, he's going to go out playing his QB, and running an offense he thinks is better this year, or Mangino decided if this guy is gonna meddle in my system then I'm gonna leave since I'll be gone at the end of the year anyway.

This makes the most sense.

Also, I don't see any way Rhoads is back next year unless we win 3+ games the rest of the season.

 

[guacamole7]

This is just a last ditch effort by Rhoads to buy one more season. Have we ever had a good offense while Rhoads was the Head Coach? Regardless of who the offensive coordinator has been, Rhoads is still ultimately responsible for how poorly we've played on offense over the years.

If we don't win at least 3 more games this year, Rhoads should be fired.

This has no impact to Rhoad's status. It is a last ditch effort though, if Rhoad's is going down, he's going down his way.

 

[clone52]

If this truly is the case(Mangino phoning it in) then this is the right move.
Maybe not the right time. But the right move for sure. CPR took the program back today and clearly made a move to start Lanning. I love it.

Is it possible that CPR took Mangino out before Pollard turned the program over to him at end of year? Was this decision made with or without support of Jamie?

Regardless. Would love to see team come together around Lanning and beat Texas.

I'm a Pollard supporter, but if Pollard had turned the program over to Mangino at the end of the year, I would have become a Pollard detractor. Would have been a terrible idea.

 

[jcyclonee]

This is not about Lanning vs Sam, inside run vs outside pass or under center vs shotgun. This is about moving Cole Netten to center.

 

[isufbcurt]

Coach Mangino probably came into his office and said I told you so Paul. We should have been playing Lanning a lot sooner like I wanted.

If you listen to the Cyclones.com interviews on Thursdays with the Coordinators, Mark was very high Lanning.

It is so tough for a program to be successful having to change coordinators every other year.

Actually take what you typed and think the exact opposite. Then you will be correct.

 

[19clone91]

Coach Mangino probably came into his office and said I told you so Paul. We should have been playing Lanning a lot sooner like I wanted.

If you listen to the Cyclones.com interviews on Thursdays with the Coordinators, Mark was very high Lanning.

It is so tough for a program to be successful having to change coordinators every other year.

I was watching a game this weekend where one of the teams has had 7 defensive coordinators in 7 years. Maybe it was Baylor or USC? I cant remember. Either way, it was a good team. I agree its not the best thing, but its not the end of the world in most cases. Coaches move around alot.

 

[Rogue52]

I will say a few things and then walk away before being accused of ****...

Verified facts (higher than Hines threshold:wink:

1 - MM and CPR haven't gotten along almost since day 1, that hasn't been a secret to anybody. CPR has tried to have a lot more control (and has had it) than MM felt necessary, and MM was far less eager to try a slower offense than CPR wanted.

2 - MM hasn't made any friends within the AD, he's been on an island by himself to some degree. Some of that is just his personality, but some of it has been by design by both sides.

3 - The Sam vs Lanning issue will end up being used as the excuse by many as to why we haven't succeeded this year and why MM is out, but that is around 1% of it, if that. CPR has no ability to wash his hands of Lanning not starting until now as he has been the biggest Sam supporter all along.

4 - There is a very clear effort by pro-CPR supporters (including the AD's office) to lay the blame on MM for the last 2 years and to position CPR for next year. The bar will be lowered, the blame will be deflected, and they will assume all will be forgiven if we win another game down the stretch.

5 - CPR told the press before the players of MM's departure.

My personal opinion:

Every effort needs to be given to reject the narrative you hear over the next few days or you will absolutely be guaranteed 1-2 more years of CPR being "safe". Jamie wants to keep him and they will say and do a lot of things to keep the focus on topics other than the W/L column.

If you think MM has been responsible for Sam starting instead of Lanning, for the team never coming out with fire, for us never making adjustments at halftime, for the lack of disciplined football, etc - then not only are you mistaken, you have given JP a perfectly good reason for why CPR comes back next year.

And to all of you who have attacked those of us who believe Pollard is a problem and should be shown the door....

Exhibit A

 

[GetAwesome]

Coach Mangino probably came into his office and said I told you so Paul. We should have been playing Lanning a lot sooner like I wanted.

If you listen to the Cyclones.com interviews on Thursdays with the Coordinators, Mark was very high Lanning.

Finally someone else is considering this outcome. I will have a good chuckle if with our Sturdy(Rhoads)-run offense we now see Sam + WR screens the remainder of the year, while Lanning rides the pine.

 

[TXCyclones]

Certainly not a Rhoads apologist here, but I've heard rumors within the program that some of the personal issues have come about because of MM's percieved lack of professionalism. Like Mangino showing up 45 mins. late on gameday to the coaches meetings. Story goes that Rhoads laid into him in front of everyone and Mangino came back at CPR with a shot at his record. May not be all true but take all that fwiw. What I have heard that is more than just hearsay is that Mangino is the one who wanted to keep Richardson in the last few weeks, which is what many others have been saying. Paul has said since MM got here that he would have complete control of the offense, and Mangino wants to run a spread attack using short quick passes. Sturdy and Rhoads realize that the only thing this offense does well is run the ball, and Lanning makes them more productive doing that. I was surprised to hear that Rhoads supposedly wants a run heavy attack with more throws downfield, which surprises me since we haven't really seen that under him. Either way, I think it's also a sign that CPR AND Mangino both know that they'll both be out of a job by year's end without a major change, and one or both decided that it would happen their way or the highway. So if Rhoads gets fired, he's going to go out playing his QB, and running an offense he thinks is better this year, or Mangino decided if this guy is gonna meddle in my system then I'm gonna leave since I'll be gone at the end of the year anyway.

Maybe we heard it from the same person, but I heard this same exact thing. Individuals on the staff have referred to MM as "a cantankerous old ****". I hadn't heard any of the rest of your post but had been told about him arriving late to the meeting and subsequent war of words.

 

[Wesley]

Well I'm assuming it just happened this morning and took him by surprise. So assuming that and knowing that he has a press conference scheduled later today I think it's fair that he should expect to be asked about the direction of the offense (even if the news hadn't leaked by then) so I'd have done the following.

1) postpone the press conference until after meeting with the team so he could speak with the players. Obviously this would raise a red flag to the media members who usually cover this and the cat would be out of the bag if it hadn't been previously

2) send out a text or email to players telling them the news and telling them that they'd answer any questions when they got together later in the day.

"PLAYERS ONLY -
It has been brought to our attention we needed a qualified qb and OC to score like a B12 team. We have chosen to replace mark with Sturdy and Sam with Lanning. I needed to shake up the crew for homecoming and I now may be losing my job if I do not win four out of the next five. Urgency is now needed by all. Supreme attention to winning including kicking. Yes, we have a new kicker. Hope to see you all on the practice field - the Dirty One Hundred. "

 

[chuckd4735]

I will say a few things and then walk away before being accused of ****...

Verified facts (higher than Hines threshold:wink:

1 - MM and CPR haven't gotten along almost since day 1, that hasn't been a secret to anybody. CPR has tried to have a lot more control (and has had it) than MM felt necessary, and MM was far less eager to try a slower offense than CPR wanted.

2 - MM hasn't made any friends within the AD, he's been on an island by himself to some degree. Some of that is just his personality, but some of it has been by design by both sides.

3 - The Sam vs Lanning issue will end up being used as the excuse by many as to why we haven't succeeded this year and why MM is out, but that is around 1% of it, if that. CPR has no ability to wash his hands of Lanning not starting until now as he has been the biggest Sam supporter all along.

4 - There is a very clear effort by pro-CPR supporters (including the AD's office) to lay the blame on MM for the last 2 years and to position CPR for next year. The bar will be lowered, the blame will be deflected, and they will assume all will be forgiven if we win another game down the stretch.

5 - CPR told the press before the players of MM's departure.

My personal opinion:

Every effort needs to be given to reject the narrative you hear over the next few days or you will absolutely be guaranteed 1-2 more years of CPR being "safe". Jamie wants to keep him and they will say and do a lot of things to keep the focus on topics other than the W/L column.

If you think MM has been responsible for Sam starting instead of Lanning, for the team never coming out with fire, for us never making adjustments at halftime, for the lack of disciplined football, etc - then not only are you mistaken, you have given JP a perfectly good reason for why CPR comes back next year.

For me, having your 4th coordinator in 7 years is enough for me to want CPR gone. You cant do that and expect to be able to have a consistent offense.

The only way I even entertain CPR being the coach here next year is if he wins 4 of his last 5. No other way.

 

[guacamole7]

And to all of you who have attacked those of us who believe Pollard is a problem and should be shown the door....

Exhibit A

Pollard's opinion might not matter.

 

[thrillcat]

Mangino has forgot more about Offensive football than Rhoads will ever know.....It's just a coaches spat and I really think that Rhoads is really feeling the heat and this is his way to shift the blame for another Lousy Season of Football.

I can see a win over KState and another year of RhoadsBall............

Knowledge is **** without application. Doesn't matter if you know every word in the dictionary if you can't form a sentence. It's obvious that he was trying to apply his knowledge to a set of personnel that couldn't execute what he wanted to do. It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that you implement an offense that matches your personnel, and gives them a chance to win games.

 

[Daserop]

I will say a few things and then walk away before being accused of ****...

Verified facts (higher than Hines threshold:wink:

1 - MM and CPR haven't gotten along almost since day 1, that hasn't been a secret to anybody. CPR has tried to have a lot more control (and has had it) than MM felt necessary, and MM was far less eager to try a slower offense than CPR wanted.

2 - MM hasn't made any friends within the AD, he's been on an island by himself to some degree. Some of that is just his personality, but some of it has been by design by both sides.

3 - The Sam vs Lanning issue will end up being used as the excuse by many as to why we haven't succeeded this year and why MM is out, but that is around 1% of it, if that. CPR has no ability to wash his hands of Lanning not starting until now as he has been the biggest Sam supporter all along.

4 - There is a very clear effort by pro-CPR supporters (including the AD's office) to lay the blame on MM for the last 2 years and to position CPR for next year. The bar will be lowered, the blame will be deflected, and they will assume all will be forgiven if we win another game down the stretch.

5 - CPR told the press before the players of MM's departure.

My personal opinion:

Every effort needs to be given to reject the narrative you hear over the next few days or you will absolutely be guaranteed 1-2 more years of CPR being "safe". Jamie wants to keep him and they will say and do a lot of things to keep the focus on topics other than the W/L column.

If you think MM has been responsible for Sam starting instead of Lanning, for the team never coming out with fire, for us never making adjustments at halftime, for the lack of disciplined football, etc - then not only are you mistaken, you have given JP a perfectly good reason for why CPR comes back next year.

Then why was MM hired to begin with? I would assume Paul made the decision to hire him?

 

[cycloneworld]

And to all of you who have attacked those of us who believe Pollard is a problem and should be shown the door....

Exhibit A

Just because Pollard doesn't WANT to fire Rhoads doesn't mean he won't. Pollard isn't stupid and 3 years of crap seasons will not get rewarded with a 4th.

 

[jburke]

This is not about Lanning vs Sam, inside run vs outside pass or under center vs shotgun. This is about moving Cole Netten to center.

So he can break his foot and maybe start kicking straight???

 

[Gunnerclone]

I might actually go to the game now this weekend. I feel like it's going to be a good night.