What bothers me

[BigCojones]

Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

 

[Gunnerclone]

I don't have answer for these questions but I know one thing; don't blame the HC for anything, he doesn't have control over these kinds of decisions.

 

[isulive2train]

Because we as coaches cannot wear their headsets?

 

[clonedude]

Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

I think the offense has been bothering Rhoads for several weeks if not more. He didn't let Mangino go on some quick rash decision. Rhoads is pretty methodical, almost to a fault. He doesn't make rash decisions. He's had this in the back of his mind probably for the last month, and last Monday morning decided he couldn't wait any longer if Mangino wasn't going to change.

This is a very tough decision for a head coach to make. You aren't going to be able to hire good coordinators if you get the reputation as a guy that fires them the first time they make a mistake.

Rhoads is a defensive minded coach. He decided last year to hire a "big name" coordinator in Mangino and basically hand him full control of the offense with the understanding that he probably knew a lot more about running an offense than he did.

But when he could see it wasn't working, he had to consider making this change. But this decision came after weeks of consideration. You don't want your head coach making quick thoughtless decisions out of just emotion. That is not a good leader. It took a lot of guts for him to finally do this in fact.

 

[BBHMagic]

Apparently you missed what happened Monday.

 

[Die4Cy]

Don't get me wrong, ISU had a great gameplan last night, and "ground and pound" is the best style of play for the personnel on this team.

But Texas didn't have players at the skill positions to take advantage of ISU's weaknesses the way TCU did, or Baylor did in building a big lead last week. OU is more like those teams than this year's version of the Longhorns. You probably can't "ground and pound" your way out of a 28-0, 2nd quarter hole if it comes to that.

There will be games where the Cyclones need prove they can score quickly by getting playmakers into the open field. Mangino felt one way about that, CPR definitely has a different view about how to get it done. Either way Lanning does not have a lot of time to figure it out. I like what I've seen, but I know next week is a much bigger challenge for the Offense and Defense than this week was.

 

[cycloneworld]

It's not easy to bench a 5th year senior QB to a sophomore rookie. It seems obvious now but it sounds like Lanning wasn't exactly lighting it up over Sam in practice.

 

[CTTB78]

..... He's had this in the back of his mind probably for the last month, and last Monday morning decided he couldn't wait any longer if Mangino wasn't going to change.....
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Let's hope this is the reason that CPR delayed giving a Lanning shot.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Don't get me wrong, ISU had a great gameplan last night, and "ground and pound" is the best style of play for the personnel on this team.

But Texas didn't have players at the skill positions to take advantage of ISU's weaknesses the way TCU did, or Baylor did in building a big lead last week. OU is more like those teams than this year's version of the Longhorns. You probably can't "ground and pound" your way out of a 28-0, 2nd quarter hole if it comes to that.

There will be games where the Cyclones need prove they can score quickly by getting playmakers into the open field. Mangino felt one way about that, CPR definitely has a different view about how to get it done. Either way Lanning does not have a lot of time to figure it out. I like what I've seen, but I know next week is a much bigger challenge for the Offense and Defense than this week was.

This. As much as I enjoyed watching this game, especially the shutout part, I think people are WAY overreacting to this being some sort of sea change event. As much as I liked the defense and the play of Lanning (Warren was already awesome) we have two more games with ranked opponents that can score tons. After all of the dust settled we still didn't score a ton of points. It's a little unfair to suddenly expect this "new" team go out and play toe to toe with OU and OSU.

I'll take any wins we can get and expect to beat KSU and maybe stay with WVU but trying to keep it a little real with expectations.

 

[jsb]

I think the offense has been bothering Rhoads for several weeks if not more. He didn't let Mangino go on some quick rash decision. Rhoads is pretty methodical, almost to a fault. He doesn't make rash decisions. He's had this in the back of his mind probably for the last month, and last Monday morning decided he couldn't wait any longer if Mangino wasn't going to change.

This is a very tough decision for a head coach to make. You aren't going to be able to hire good coordinators if you get the reputation as a guy that fires them the first time they make a mistake.

Rhoads is a defensive minded coach. He decided last year to hire a "big name" coordinator in Mangino and basically hand him full control of the offense with the understanding that he probably knew a lot more about running an offense than he did.

But when he could see it wasn't working, he had to consider making this change. But this decision came after weeks of consideration. You don't want your head coach making quick thoughtless decisions out of just emotion. That is not a good leader. It took a lot of guts for him to finally do this in fact.

It took a ton of guts. Let's be honest, the common denominator in our offensive problems is Rhoads. And he knows that. He has Mangino who is a good offensive coach telling him the best way to win. I'm sure it takes a lot of courage to take back control of the offense. If he was truly just collecting a paycheck like some on here like to claim, he would have kept Mangino.

Lanning was very good last night, but you could kind of see why Sam had started too. Some of Lanning's passes were really bad. And the receivers had to dig down low to make some catches. But he'll get better. And frankly, I'm encouraged that he didn't come out and have some all-world game. He was solid. And we won.

 

[jsb]

I don't have answer for these questions but I know one thing; don't blame the HC for anything, he doesn't have control over these kinds of decisions.

How upset were you last night?? Tough night I'm sure.

 

[HFCS]

Why did it take so long to make this move to Lanning? Why has it taken so long to blow up the quick screens to the outside? I feel like the fans have been begging for this for a while and nothing has been done about it till this long? It's frustrating thinking how different things could possibly be right now if the coaches didn't have to learn on the job. A lot of fans saw it. Why didn't the coaches?

At this point it's hard not to think Mangino was a big part of the problem on offense.

I think it took so long because he wasn't any typical OC. He had achieved the highest possible success as an OC at Oklahoma and then nearly the highest possible success at KU of all places as a HC. If he were some young gun I think this philosophical shift happens much sooner.

Apparently Mangino is stubborn in his ideologies as opposed to somebody like Wally who it seems wants to play the best cards he has year to year.

I'm not absolving CPR from any responsibility, but it's probably reality that Mangino's persona made this thing take longer than typically. Listening on the radio to many people who have worked and played for Mangino he just seems like an intimidating personality.

 

[19clone91]

While Lanning could have played a few weeks earlier than this week, I truly believe it took this long to develop the run game. Lanning would not have succeeded the first few weeks of the season in the offense we were running.

Warren was nonexistent for the first few games. Hard for a guy like Lanning to play like he did last night without an established run game and an experienced O line that we have now

 

[jsb]

And another thing....if you fire Mangino you risk things falling further off the rails because you still have his son on the staff and Blaney who has been with him for years.

 

[BodeClone]

Rhoad's ego.

 

[HFCS]

While Lanning could have played a few weeks earlier than this week, I truly believe it took this long to develop the run game. Lanning would not have succeeded the first few weeks of the season in the offense we were running.

Warren was nonexistent for the first few games. Hard for a guy like Lanning to play like he did last night without an established run game and an experienced O line that we have now

After the first two weeks I thought Thomas was the only hope we had for a player at RB, shows what I know. He's had a pretty solid few weeks filling in with the offensive philosophy shift but I watched the early season without any idea of Warren's potential.

 

[Wesley]

It took a ton of guts. Let's be honest, the common denominator in our offensive problems is Rhoads. And he knows that. He has Mangino who is a good offensive coach telling him the best way to win. I'm sure it takes a lot of courage to take back control of the offense. If he was truly just collecting a paycheck like some on here like to claim, he would have kept Mangino.

Lanning was very good last night, but you could kind of see why Sam had started too. Some of Lanning's passes were really bad. And the receivers had to dig down low to make some catches. But he'll get better. And frankly, I'm encouraged that he didn't come out and have some all-world game. He was solid. And we won.

If you are going to miss, miss low. Lanning passes >>> Sam passes.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

 

[isulive2train]

Big problem?

 

[Gunnerclone]

How upset were you last night?? Tough night I'm sure.

Ya it's really tough having the QB I've been calling for all season finally get to play and excel.