The fix is in...

State43

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When in history have they brought back a controversial call to play damage control? They knew ISU fans were ******. Never seen that in a game
 

andybernard

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No, there wasn't. I didn't see one replay where the ball was loose before he rolled.

Why would it need to be loose before he rolled? The replay clearly showed that the ball touched the ground. From the backside, it clearly showed that it was loose in his hands after he rolled. It was correctly overturned. It sucks, but it was right.
 

cstrunk

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If the ball touches the ground they are going to rule it incomplete. There was movement of the ball too. The ball was dislodged by the ground and trapped. Incomplete pass.

/End thread.
 

BWRhasnoAC

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It's ridiculous because the sideline judge was about 5 yards away. Saw zero proof of the ball coming out and there's a 15 foot tall video board right behind me.
 

Rogue52

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And the Tech receiver's foot on the line in the back of the endzone was not "insdisputable video evidence".
 

KidSilverhair

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Then the b1g is doing it incorrectly. The ball hit the ground, it then moved in his arms. It was the correct call, get over it.

I gotta hit you again on this. If the replay official sees the video and says, "I can't tell either way," then the call on the field STANDS. How exactly is that "doing it incorrectly"?

Big XII replay officials have made themselves a reputation of sticking themselves into games and trying feverishly to find something, anything, any speck of anything via CSI-zoom-enhance techniques to change calls on the field. It's not supposed to work like that.
 

andybernard

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Baloney. In this case, the B1G is actually doing it exactly right. The reason for replay is to make sure the onfield officials don't miss anything. It's not to watch replays from six different angles for twenty minutes to see in one view that the ball moved an inch or two.

The default position needs to be go with the call on the field, unless there's OBVIOUS evidence in a replay that they got it wrong on the field. OBVIOUS as in, you see it right away. If it takes you a minute or more of watching video to change the call, THEN you're doing it wrong.

In this particular case, it looks like there was one angle where the ball could be seen as touching the ground as Ryen rolled over. Eh, okay. Opinions can vary on whether that's "obvious," but I guess I can see that. Care to defend the touchdown call in Stillwater last year? The non-fumble with Texas a couple of years ago? You see where the Big XII replay officials have exactly zero legs to stand on here?

I 100% agree with this sentence. Which is exactly why the overturn was correct.
 

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If the ball touches the ground they are going to rule it incomplete. There was movement of the ball too. The ball was dislodged by the ground and trapped. Incomplete pass.

/End thread.

I often wish I could happily rationalize things like this. It probably makes you a happier person, certainly easier to be an ISU fan.
 

andybernard

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I gotta hit you again on this. If the replay official sees the video and says, "I can't tell either way," then the call on the field STANDS. How exactly is that "doing it incorrectly"?

Big XII replay officials have made themselves a reputation of sticking themselves into games and trying feverishly to find something, anything, any speck of anything via CSI-zoom-enhance techniques to change calls on the field. It's not supposed to work like that.

Because there are multiple angles. Sometimes you have to watch them all to get the correct call. The point of replay is to get a close call correct. They did. It's ok.
 

LindenCy

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They ended up getting this call right, which should put our minds at ease. That said, they have botched a lot of calls in the past.
 

andybernard

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Still waiting for your reasoning on the game at Stillwater last year. Or the George fumble recovery against Texas. Or the Tech back-of-the-end-zone TD this year. Must be some heck of video angles for those Big XII replay officials, huh?

Who said I agreed with any of those calls?? I said they got THIS call correct. Are you 12?
 

klamath632

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If the tip of the ball hits the ground and then the ball moves, it's incomplete. And that's what the replay showed.

The ball was cradled. The receiver's arm was under the ball. The receiver's arm just happens to be less wide than the ball, so it's possible for part of the ball be in possession of the receiver, but not touching the receiver. Do you not understand that?
 

KidSilverhair

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Who said I agreed with any of those calls?? I said they got THIS call correct. Are you 12?

No, I'm an adult who can recognize the difference between what's obvious and what has to be looked at with a magnifying glass. And who has been suffering through this kind of crap for years.

How about that call standing on the terrible spot in the third quarter? If you use the same reasoning they used on Ryen's play, that needs to be changed.
 

andybernard

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No, I'm an adult who can recognize the difference between what's obvious and what has to be looked at with a magnifying glass. And who has been suffering through this kind of crap for years.

How about that call standing on the terrible spot in the third quarter? If you use the same reasoning they used on Ryen's play, that needs to be changed.

I like how you keep bringing up all the OTHER plays.
 

CarlHungus

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Just terrible all around, but not at all surprised. There was no way the Big 12 was going to let OSU lose this game