Am I the Only One?

klamath632

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I can. There seems to be some improvement, but still some major holes (as tre said).
Also, he blew 3.5 years before that improvement happened. If Rhoads really had a solid plan for improvement, we would have seen it long ago.

This shouldn't even be a debate. All we're doing is losing. That's enough to be fired.

Here is the problem I have with that statement: The players who are playing now are the ones who were recruited 3.5 years ago. I've seen vast improvement this year over last. The record doesn't show it, but the team is improved. The plan is working.

I was on the Fire CPR bandwagon before the season began. I'm now cautiously on the Retain CPR bandwagon. The funny thing is there's lots more room on here now than there was a couple of months ago.
 

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The naivete that assumes that we can "blink" and fix everything with a new coach is just silly.

The question is "what is the path forward?" I still think our best path to conference championships is with Coach Rhoads . . . not with some coach to be named later.

Following the trends, with Rhoads, the path forward is downward.

I don't think anyone is really expecting a new coach to come in and fix everything in the blink of an eye, of course those could be the same people who thought Lanning was gong to be the instant cure and we'd win out.

That being said, what is more naive, to look at the last 7 seasons and think that Rhoads has us moving in the right direction, or to think if we found a successful new coach, that he wouldn't be able to build something better here?

I'd say at the very least, they are equally naive.

Funny thing is, all my ******** about Rhoads, I don't think it matters at all. I've said it on here before. I believe win or lose, the decision to keep Rhoads has already been made. I'll be surprised, without a colossal break down in the next two games, if he isn't coaching here next year.
 

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The naivete that assumes that we can "blink" and fix everything with a new coach is just silly.

The question is "what is the path forward?" I still think our best path to conference championships is with Coach Rhoads . . . not with some coach to be named later.

Who is suggesting this?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result? If we finish 3-9 again isn't that exactly what's happening?

Those of us who are done with Rhoads see no improvement where it counts, the W-L record. So why not make a new hire and let that guy go 1-11 or 2-10 while actually building something rather than driving it into the ground.

FWIW, PR will be back next season. So those of you who think we're on the right track will have a chance to blast me if we go to a bowl next season.
 

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What will one more year prove? I don't see how everyone says next year will be better. The big 12 will be even harder, every team is going to be better even Kansas. If anything it shows next year will be rougher. Every year we don't fire CPR the worse and worse this job gets. we need new blood to liven up the fans and players.

imagine CPR recruiting your kid. Hey in 7 years I won 1 bowl and that wasn't even with my recruits. I haven't sniffed a bowl game seen 2012 and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon. Don't worry though we have fans that didn't care we are bad and I will be here for a while because some of them are happy with 2-3 wins a year. I'll just tell them one more year is all I need.

i just needed to rant sorry.
 

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Why the **** wasn't Lanning starting? That's an indictment of PR not an excuse for him.

Let's be honest here. Lanning shows promise but he's not that much better than Sam is. His mechanics are a mess when he has to move within the pocket. I would rather have him but I could see where as a coach you aren't ready to put him in until we did.
 

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I was on board with firing Rhoads last year. We had nothing to hang our hats on with ZERO conference wins and losses to Kansas & an FCS squad.

Now that we will finally have a senior-laden class and perhaps an identity with the 3-4 defense (more sacks), a returning 1,000 rusher, and a JoelDozer, I don't want to see all of that scrapped when we may finally have something to build on.

If KSU & WVU drop a combined 100+ points on us, I'll probably change my tune. But for now there is some warranted optimism going into the last two games. There was no optimism at this point last year.
 

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Yes he was, and that is on CPR.

Guess what, everyone was crazy over Richardson after his first few starts, and eventually he got injured being so mobile, and became more of a pocket QB, and digressed. Our coaching staff has a weird way of making QB's digress, and its only a matter of time before everyone is calling for Lanning to be benched for the next guy.
I don't see this happening with him.
 

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Let's be honest here. Lanning shows promise but he's not that much better than Sam is. His mechanics are a mess when he has to move within the pocket. I would rather have him but I could see where as a coach you aren't ready to put him in until we did.

Agree. Imo a lot of the improvement has come from the QB position now being a threat to run, which has more to do with CPR making a staff move than QB change. That said Sam may have been too damaged to make the plays Lanning has while forcing the issue.
 

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Agree. Imo a lot of the improvement has come from the QB position now being a threat to run, which has more to do with CPR making a staff move than QB change. That said Sam may have been too damaged to make the plays Lanning has while forcing the issue.

Yeah, this worries me as well. Lanning needs to improve on his intermediate routes because OSU's big adjustment was to dedicate a shadow to him as a running threat and dare him to pass. Worked pretty well.
 

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Ball control, grinding out some first downs, converting some 3rd downs, sure helps make the defense look a lot better.

Am I the only one that has seen improvement since Lanning became the starting quarterback and Mangino was let go? I see improvement on both sides of the ball. We have the first 1,000 yard rusher since ARob. We have a mobile quarterback that rushed for over 100 yards last game. We held the 8th ranked team in the nation to 34 points, and oh did I forget, we led the game except for the last 5 minutes. All I see are people bad mouthing a coaching staff that is trying to get things going in a positive direction. I see people bad mouthing our players and saying they are not good enough to get wins. This is Iowa State, we are not Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, or even this year (I hate to say it) Iowa. We are a work in progress and I am satisfied that things are moving in the right direction. If we pick up a few good JUCO players to fill a few holes for next year, we have a good core of returning players that can win.
 

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Following the trends, with Rhoads, the path forward is downward.

I don't think anyone is really expecting a new coach to come in and fix everything in the blink of an eye, of course those could be the same people who thought Lanning was gong to be the instant cure and we'd win out.

That being said, what is more naive, to look at the last 7 seasons and think that Rhoads has us moving in the right direction, or to think if we found a successful new coach, that he wouldn't be able to build something better here?

I'd say at the very least, they are equally naive.

Funny thing is, all my ******** about Rhoads, I don't think it matters at all. I've said it on here before. I believe win or lose, the decision to keep Rhoads has already been made. I'll be surprised, without a colossal break down in the next two games, if he isn't coaching here next year.



You don't think this year's team is much better than last year's team? You don't think this year's coaches have done a better job overall (albeit with some blatant mistakes)? You don't think we are set up to be even better next year?

Did you hear the post-game interview with Lalk in which he talked about Nick Fett? This guy is going to be great on the line next year.

I'm very disappointed with our win/loss record, but I think Rhoads has turned the ship in the right direction.
 

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You don't think this year's team is much better than last year's team? You don't think this year's coaches have done a better job overall (albeit with some blatant mistakes)? You don't think we are set up to be even better next year?

Did you hear the post-game interview with Lalk in which he talked about Nick Fett? This guy is going to be great on the line next year.

I'm very disappointed with our win/loss record, but I think Rhoads has turned the ship in the right direction.

I think if we manage to pull out wins in both these last two games, it's a pretty easy decision to keep him. We're a shanked chip shot FG away from a bowl game, with 4 conference wins and a couple of close calls against some very good teams and arguably the toughest schedule in the country. Defense returns almost everyone of note and a solid core and all your skill talent on offense. OL will need a rebuild, but overall a solid roster. I tend to agree that the team is better.

The tough decision is with a split. Is 4-8 good enough to show progress? Probably depends on how we look and play, to some extent. If the players keep fighting and scrapping, then maybe. Pollard's loyalty and the number of jobs better than ours opening up will probably push us to a stay-the-course decision. I don't see how he survives if we drop both and it's 3-9, 2-10 and 3-9 in consecutive years.

At some point, we've got to stop with the self-inflicted wounds. It's simply inexcusable to not know what down it is with the game on the line or not position the game-winning FG. Maybe he can recover and get back to bowl games. It would be one heckuva story. We'll see what happens. I hope we win both convincingly, so it's definitive.
 

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Why? What does Lanning do that is so much different then what we have seen other QB's do in their initial starts.

We have had some great QB performances in the CPR tenure, and they have ALL digressed.
digressed or just inconsistent?
Lanning isn't afraid to throw the deep ball (Sam was), he's also the best running QB in Rhoads tenure. The only thing Lanning needs to improve on is his accuracy.
 

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Iowa state is a coaching graveyard. Letting Rhoads go would only prove that. I just don't see a new coach being the answer right now. Give him another year lol


Because the last 2 ISU coaches didn't find new head coaching jobs someplace else? The three coaches prior were just bad coaches.
 

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If real life was like Paul's life...

i could come to work at 430pm everyday, **** on the floor, punch my boss in the face, but as long as there was a chance I might only pee on the floor tomorrow, I will still have a job for another year.
 
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The naivete that assumes that we can "blink" and fix everything with a new coach is just silly.

The question is "what is the path forward?" I still think our best path to conference championships is with Coach Rhoads . . . not with some coach to be named later.

I don't have a problem with the people who accept 3-6/7 win seasons. Going to bowl games is alright.

But we will never even come close to winning the conference as long as Rhoads is here. Ever.

We know what we've got with Rhoads. Now ask yourself, should we continue? Or take a risk at something better?

I don't have the answer.
 

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I don't think anyone on this site is happy that we are 3-6 right now. That being said, yes, we have seen much improvement (except OU, that was terrible, as usual) in this team. Lanning is a guy to build on. I was on the fire Rhoads trip as well, but with 17+ D1 coaching openings coming after the season, and some of those being some big name schools, who exactly do you think ISU is going to get? I hear people say Tom Herman, probably not going to happen. So I'd like to know who you think we have a realistic shot to bring in to coach this program without paying them 4 mil a year, which we will never do.
 

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What are people seeing in Paul Rhoads and this coaching staff to actually WANT them back next year? It can be the wins. It can't be the in-game decisions. It can't be player development. So what is it?

I'll quote my own post and ask again, what are people seeing in Rhoads that want him back next year?