SI reporting ISU working on deal with Campbell

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I'd worry at Mizzou. Who would you work for, a president yet to be named or some radical willing to fast to get rid of you?
 

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Most professions aren't fueled by inflated TV money.

Exactly. The economic dynamics of college sports is expanding at a rapid pace. Everyone is getting enriched big time, except the players who are producing all the revenue.
 

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Or pay market rates and still get subpar results.

when have we paid market rates? A mid-range big 12 coaching salary would be about 3-3.5 million this year.

I mean look at the numbers. If you're looking to pay 1.5 million for a coach youre not even trying at this point. As a P5 team, we should probably be at least willing to pay a mid-range pay.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm
 

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when have we paid market rates? A mid-range big 12 coaching salary would be about 3-3.5 million this year.

I mean look at the numbers. If you're looking to pay 1.5 million for a coach youre not even trying at this point. As a P5 team, we should probably be at least willing to pay a mid-range pay.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm

Yes - my point is we could pay 3 - 3.5 mil and still not get better results.
 

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Don't understand why people think you need to mortgage the athletic department to hire a coach. Why does a starting salary have to be in the 2 - 3 mil range. What happened to a fair starting salary and you get compensated for your production and longevity? That's the way it works in most professions.

Most job descriptions don't include "Big 12 coach", where most salaries are in the $3 mil range. If we're not willing to offer at least $2 mil, we're probably looking at the bottom of the barrel.

And who says offering in the $2-$3 mil range is mortgaging the ISU athletic department?
 

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It's tough, you don't want to put all your cards on the table. What if we came at him with 2.5 and JP thought it was all we could spend, and he asks for 3? I would hope we put something in the 1.75 range (over a million dollar raise) and then if he asked for more, we put it in incentives for winning. Heck, give him 1.75 with .25/win over 6.

I agree. Sounds like good fundamental negotiating. Don't blow your entire authority too early.
 

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when have we paid market rates? A mid-range big 12 coaching salary would be about 3-3.5 million this year.

I mean look at the numbers. If you're looking to pay 1.5 million for a coach youre not even trying at this point. As a P5 team, we should probably be at least willing to pay a mid-range pay.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm

This is the attitude that we have to get over. The ISu job is one of the tougher in the conference and we want a coach at half the price to win. Really, it's more important to have a top coach here, and top coaches get paid.
 

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Yes - my point is we could pay 3 - 3.5 mil and still not get better results.

Depends. You dont just pay that to anyone. But if you cast a net with it being known youre only willing to pay much less, your opportunities are going to be limited to those options. You increase your chances of getting better results by opening up to a better class of candidate.
 

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Where exactly are you reading that the initial offer was $1.5 million?

I didn't say he was offered that..I said if what is being reported out there is true...etc..there are other sites. I'm just going off what others are saying the range could be 1.5-2.5 mil.
 

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Yes - my point is we could pay 3 - 3.5 mil and still not get better results.

So your point is "let's keep paying for 'bottom-of-the-barrel' coaches and hope it goes better for us this time?"

I believe Einstein defined that as "Insanity".
 

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Terrible hire (if true).

I think an experienced HC who wins and is a former OC/OL coach is probably a good fit here. We are in the Big12, I'm glad we didn't hire another DC to the the HC. We live in Iowa, we need to have a good OL and running game.
 

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So your point is "let's keep paying for 'bottom-of-the-barrel' coaches and hope it goes better for us this time?"

I believe Einstein defined that as "Insanity".

It's common sense, you don't over pay just for the sake of overpaying. You offer them a fair price that they will accept. A 1-2 million dollar raise a year is pretty fair. Then if/when he starts winning, you renegotiate and he gets more. It's not like we are hiring Nick Saban or another elite coach deserving of a large contract at this point in time.
 

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It's common sense, you don't over pay just for the sake of overpaying. You offer them a fair price that they will accept. A 1-2 million dollar raise a year is pretty fair. Then if/when he starts winning, you renegotiate and he gets more. It's not like we are hiring Nick Saban or another elite coach deserving of a large contract at this point in time.

Well yeah, not when we set our offering price so low. You wont even get an interview without that.

And it seems like there's a large gap between Saban and the rest of the field.