Lions have worse luck than ISU

[Cyclone1985]

Cry baby Rogers get these calls all the time. I don't know how many phantom "roughing the passer" calls he has gotten because of his ******* and moaning every time a defender touches him or tackles him too hard.

If that is a runningback, wide receiver, or anyone else for that matter, that penalty doesn't get called.

 

[BCClone]

It's arguing about the face ask penalty more of a verbiage thing. If not facemask, it would have been hitting a qbs helmet which is 15 yards anyhow.

 

[CY88CE11]

Playoff game last year vs. Cowboys. Bat rule against Seahawks, and now this.

I'm blanking. What happened against the Cowboys?

 

[AdamJGray]

That didn't happen. His head was already turned to the right with his chin down before the Lions player touched the facemask with one finger. The helmet barely moved. Maybe it was technically the right call, but I've seen worse not get called before.

https://vine.co/v/iWPWrbdTWO1

I don't think that's a facemark, but when you watch it at full speed it's easy to see why the ref thought it was. Everyone watching it live thought it was, and it wasn't until you slow it down that you start thinking it "might" not have been. To hard to tell.

 

[jbhtexas]

To be on the same level as ISU, the Lions will need to get an apology from the NFL for the bogus facemask call.

As AdamJGray said, it looked bad in real time, but in reality, there was no grabbing of the facemask.

Should this kind of penalty be a reviewable call? There is a clear definition of what constitutes a face mask. Either you grab the facemask or you don't, and that's the kind of thing that can be determined by replay.

 

[Cyclone1985]

It's arguing about the face ask penalty more of a verbiage thing. If not facemask, it would have been hitting a qbs helmet which is 15 yards anyhow.

there's the problem - he got the call because he is a QB. There were multiple laterals prior to him possessing the ball and he was running... which takes the "hitting a QB's head" out of the equation.

Again, if this was Eddie Lacey, no call.

 

[CyArob]

Gotta keep your helmet on loose, so that a light breeze turns your helmet.

 

[isufbcurt]

The facemask penalty is called ALL the time when there is no grasping of the facemask. I have seen it numerous times when the defenders hand brushed across the the facemask with no grasping and it is called.

Heck didn't Jordan Harris get called for one in the WV or KSU game in which has hand slid across the facemask withour grasping it?

 

[jbindm]

The Lions do have some bad luck, but a lot of it is self inflicted too. The Ford family wasted a lot of time on poor coaching and management because they were loyal to a fault. They were also victims of bad timing to an extent. They got the picks right with Johnson, Stafford and Suh. But the size of those rookie deals ended up destroying the team's ability to build around them. If they had gotten those picks after the rookie scale had gone into place, it could have been a different story.

 

[CyJack13]

To be on the same level as ISU, the Lions will need to get an apology from the NFL for the bogus facemask call.

As AdamJGray said, it looked bad in real time, but in reality, there was no grabbing of the facemask.

Should this kind of penalty be a reviewable call? There is a clear definition of what constitutes a face mask. Either you grab the facemask or you don't, and that's the kind of thing that can be determined by replay.

No, there's already too many reviews. If the Lions could competently defend a hail mary, there's no discussion on this.

 

[jbindm]

This is not "bad luck". It's terrible execution.

No, there's already too many reviews. If the Lions could competently defend a hail mary, there's no discussion on this.

Good point. Where is Calvin Johnson in the picture above? And if there were six defenders in the end zone and three rushed the QB, then what were the other two guys doing? The Lions got some bad luck with the facemask call but this was some really poor defense.

 

[awd4cy]

Cry baby Rogers get these calls all the time. I don't know how many phantom "roughing the passer" calls he has gotten because of his ******* and moaning every time a defender touches him or tackles him too hard.

If that is a runningback, wide receiver, or anyone else for that matter, that penalty doesn't get called.

Aww, someone is bitter.

 

[ronandkay]

As a Vikings fan I really don't much care for Aaron Rogers.

Thats ok as I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers as a Packer really doesn't care much for you either.

 

[ronandkay]

there's the problem - he got the call because he is a QB. There were multiple laterals prior to him possessing the ball and he was running... which takes the "hitting a QB's head" out of the equation.

Again, if this was Eddie Lacey, no call.

Then where was that same call 6 years ago in the playoffs in OT when the Packers lost to the Kurt Warner led Arizona Cardinals on the final play of the game (the pick 6 where CLEARLY, Rodgers mask was grasped & pulled)?

 

[ronandkay]

To be on the same level as ISU, the Lions will need to get an apology from the NFL for the bogus facemask call.

As AdamJGray said, it looked bad in real time, but in reality, there was no grabbing of the facemask.

Should this kind of penalty be a reviewable call? There is a clear definition of what constitutes a face mask. Either you grab the facemask or you don't, and that's the kind of thing that can be determined by replay.

Thats the answer to everything, "REVIEW IT"? Review PROBABLY (because replay does not CONSISTENTLY work 100% of the time) would NOT have over turned that call.

 

[Doc]

It shouldn't have been a facemask. It's just like if an running back stiff arms a guy on his mask. It's not a penalty if he immediately releases. You can't really blame the refs for calling it unless you want to say the ref that threw the flag didn't really see it, but it kind definitely sucks for the Lions and their fans.

 

[ronandkay]

Cry baby Rogers get these calls all the time. I don't know how many phantom "roughing the passer" calls he has gotten because of his ******* and moaning every time a defender touches him or tackles him too hard.

If that is a runningback, wide receiver, or anyone else for that matter, that penalty doesn't get called.

Are you sure you're not confusing Aaron Rodgers for Tom Brady?

 

[ExCyment]

I'm blanking. What happened against the Cowboys?

The Dez non-catch the next week against these same Packers was worse.

 

[Cyclone1985]

Then where was that same call 6 years ago in the playoffs in OT when the Packers lost to the Kurt Warner led Arizona Cardinals on the final play of the game (the pick 6 where CLEARLY, Rodgers mask was grasped & pulled)?

Aww, someone is bitter.

 

[jbhtexas]

Thats the answer to everything, "REVIEW IT"? Review PROBABLY (because replay does not CONSISTENTLY work 100% of the time) would NOT have over turned that call.

If the point is to have the game called correctly, then yes, review it.

I really don't understand the rationale behind reviewing some non-judgement calls, while not reviewing others. A non-judgement call is precisely defined by a rule. Each play impacts the game, and at the time the play occurs, it's nearly impossible to predict the effect of that play on the outcome of the game, especially if the play occurs early in the game. So why are some calls worthy of review, while other aren't? It doesn't make logical sense. Either make all non-judgment calls open to review/challenge, or get rid of review/challenge.

Just an example...in the last two minutes of the game, the replay official can call for a review of a 5-yd pass play to determine whether the catch was in or out of bounds, but he can't call for the review of a facemask that would result in a 15-yd penalty? Why is a gain of 5-yds more important to the game than a 15-yd gain? It makes no sense.

For my part, replay/challenge could be eliminated.