Personally I think you shouldn't be able to review or review for penalties. On every play there is a penalty that is missed (most of the time it's holding) so it is unreasonable to do this.
Lions have worse luck than ISU
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Personally I think you shouldn't be able to review or review for penalties. On every play there is a penalty that is missed (most of the time it's holding) so it is unreasonable to do this.
There's more than just the bad-luck comparison between ISU/Lions. That game included an overlooked aspect: It never needed to come down to a questionable penalty and a hail-mary.
Lions were up 17-0 after 1Q. 17-0 at halftime. Opened 2nd half with a 6-minute drive (although settled for FG). Up to that point, GB couldn't do anything on offense. Game over, right?
Apparently not.
Oh, and don’t forget the Rodgers TD run on 3-and-11, when Lions could’ve forced a FG with one stop.
Lions were up 17-0 after 1Q. 17-0 at halftime. Opened 2nd half with a 6-minute drive (although settled for FG). Up to that point, GB couldn't do anything on offense. Game over, right?
Apparently not.
Oh, and don’t forget the Rodgers TD run on 3-and-11, when Lions could’ve forced a FG with one stop.
Agreed. I still have no idea what constitutes a catch if you can take three steps, switch hands, and then lunge for the endzone, only for it to be incomplete.
Back to the facemask call. No dog in the fight as far as fandom, and I saw it as it transpired.
At game speed, in real-time, calling a facemask is perfectly understandable.
In slo-mo, you can tell the finger only grazed the mask, but then went to shoulder so quickly that, combined with Rodgers’ body motion, you can see why it looked like a 15-yard facemask foul at full-speed.
NFL needs to allow replay-review of almost anything — including most penalty calls — without increasing the number of challenges a team is allowed during a game (and, honestly, the challenge-limit ought to be reduced). For years, I've believed bad PI calls have swung as many games as catch/fumble-type decisions, for example.
They still might have upheld this call on review, which in itself might’ve been controversial, but at least it offers an option to bring in rule-interpretation.
At game speed, in real-time, calling a facemask is perfectly understandable.
In slo-mo, you can tell the finger only grazed the mask, but then went to shoulder so quickly that, combined with Rodgers’ body motion, you can see why it looked like a 15-yard facemask foul at full-speed.
NFL needs to allow replay-review of almost anything — including most penalty calls — without increasing the number of challenges a team is allowed during a game (and, honestly, the challenge-limit ought to be reduced). For years, I've believed bad PI calls have swung as many games as catch/fumble-type decisions, for example.
They still might have upheld this call on review, which in itself might’ve been controversial, but at least it offers an option to bring in rule-interpretation.
I don't think I am in agreement with more replays, but how about bringing back the 5 yard or 15 yard facemask penalty? Didn't this used to be a thing?
5 yard penalty for "grazing" or quickly grabbing and letting go. 15 yard for "grasping", turning the head or bringing to the ground.
Side note: When is the NFL going to finally hire these refs full-time to provide adequate training and consistency league-wide?
5 yard penalty for "grazing" or quickly grabbing and letting go. 15 yard for "grasping", turning the head or bringing to the ground.
Side note: When is the NFL going to finally hire these refs full-time to provide adequate training and consistency league-wide?
I'm glad you brought this up. I thought maybe I was dumb for thinking he should have been in for that one play on defense.
Bill Belichick has been beating the drum for a couple years now to make everything eligible for a coach's challenge. Under his proposal, coaches would still be limited to two challenges per game (with a third if both challenges are successful) but everything - PI, holding, whatever - would be subject to review if challenged. I think it's an interesting option. It wouldn't necessarily make the game any longer (which is a silly argument anyhow...when was the last time you watched a game and wondered if it was ever going to end?), but it would add another level of strategy for coaches in how they use up their challenges.
What's weird is that some players were asked about it after the game and it came out that Calvin Johnson is usually on the Hail Mary defense team when they go over it in practice. If that's the case, then it's beyond me how it didn't happen last night. Although when you consider the coach it's not that surprising. Jim Caldwell is a popular coach among players and a respected guy around the league, but he has made some baffling in game decisions in his stops in Indy and Detroit.
Wow that's strange. I can't remember if the Lions had any time outs left (I assume you can still take one when the clock reads zero), but if they did they probably should have taken one. No mystery what the Packers would do, but at least make sure the right personnel is on the field.
But what constitutes a hold? What constitutes PI? This would turn into the same debacle they are currently going through, when reviewing a catch.
Makes sense. My father told me that a lot of his friend who played football for ISU also played for the Lions back in the day.
True, but that's considering it within realm of current review format. Reduce the number of challenges allowed in a game (I suggest 2 per team in regulation, and drop the silly "win challenge and retain it/lose challenge and lose a timeout clause). Then, it's a matter of "is this an important time to use a challenge, given game flow and impact of a specific play?"
To me, whether the review correctly assesses the call on the field is less important (in principle) than what you choose to challenge. A coach is unlikely to challenge a false-start penalty in the 1st quarter, but it could be HUGE in a late-game situation (in which case — did you already burn up your challenge allotment by that point?)
And I think that's why Belichick is calling for it - he's smarter than everyone else on the field and he would make sure the system worked to his advantage. Coaches who have a hard enough time with clock management and game situations as it is would be totally overmatched.
It was to Jim Caldwell, who based on postgame interviews apparently thought the Packers were going to try another short pass and lateral kind of play. That would explain why Johnson wasn't out there, because maybe the Lions didn't call for their "Hail Mary" defense.
