Hawks - respect

[Clark]

Location of the game should not be a factor in ranking the teams. Ranking the teams should be based solely on where you feel they should be ranked. If Oklahoma was deemed to be #3 then that is where they should be ranked......period.

What you are suggesting is that the Committee should be allowed to put artificial biases and roadblocks for some teams to help out another team. The rules simply make a concession for the #1 team to be placed in the Bowl that is closest to them. It makes no provision for accommodating the other teams.

This is just further evidence of the negative bias the Committee has towards the Big 12 and the Big Ten and SEC Cronies that have power over the Committee.

I didn't suggest they should and in fact would rather have seen OU play Alabama. But it makes sense that the higher ranked team shouldn't be playing 100 miles from the lower ranked teams home.

So do I really care that they massaged the rankings a little to get equitable matchups for the two highest ranked teams....not really.

 

[Clark]

I'm not saying they got screwed. I thought you were smarter than that.

I'm saying all we heard about was how horrible their schedule was. Guess what. Baylor played a harder schedule than Ohio State. 61 teams played a tougher schedule than Ohio State and we hear not a pin drop about that. But Baylor plays a slightly tougher schedule than Ohio State and you'd think the world was ending from the media attention that got.

yes, 8 games into the year (or whatever it was) when Baylor had literally played nobody. But they also said that it wouldn't matter because the meat of their schedule was coming up and they'd be in the playoffs had they had 0-1 losses (as long as they beat OU and were conference champs)

 

[Clark]

Hey Clark,

I hope you're enjoying this great season for the Hawkeyes. I'm going to say this once; after watching the B1G CCG I must admit that Iowa is better than I've given them credit for all season. I truly believe that they are the 5th best team in the nation. I hope they and all the Iowa fans that go to Pasadena have a fun experience because they earned it.

I am, and thank you artist formerly known as Janice

 

[HFCS]

yes, 8 games into the year (or whatever it was) when Baylor had literally played nobody. But they also said that it wouldn't matter because the meat of their schedule was coming up and they'd be in the playoffs had they had 0-1 losses (as long as they beat OU and were conference champs)

Ohio State played nobody for 10 weeks. They played two ranked teams the entire season 1-1 in week 11 and week 12. It's a massive ridiculous double standard. Glad the Rose Bowl made the right choice. If you want to talk "13th game" the better time to use that is picking Iowa over Ohio State. Oklahoma (and the other 9 Big 12 teams) played a harder schedule than Ohio State including an extra conference game.

 

[Stormin]

I didn't suggest they should and in fact would rather have seen OU play Alabama. But it makes sense that the higher ranked team shouldn't be playing 100 miles from the lower ranked teams home.

So do I really care that they massaged the rankings a little to get equitable matchups for the two highest ranked teams....not really.

The RULES only make a provision for the #1 Team. NO Provision for the teams rated lower. NONE. If the Committee rated the teams in the way they did for that reason, then the Committee that is presently making these rules should be completely replaced by new members. This Committee has an obvious bias. We need a new Committee with FAIR representation.

 

[HFCS]

The RULES only make a provision for the #1 Team. NO Provision for the teams rated lower. NONE. If the Committee rated the teams in the way they did for that reason, then the Committee that is presently making these rules should be completely replaced by new members. This Committee has an obvious bias. We need a new Committee with FAIR representation.

Well the committee came out and said Michigan State beating Iowa made them better than OU in the eyes of the committee.

Now as a Big 12 fan and general fan of college football I think OU and Bama are actually 2 and 1 respectively so I'm pleased with this result in terms of wanting to see the best title game. But I don't like the terminology that a Big 12 team is going to drop 1 to 3 spots every year no matter what in the last ranking. I mean Oklahoma's SOS is over 20 spots higher than Michigan State's, it's not like they had some cupcake path, the two teams losses are very similar as well. Seems very odd to me to say a close win over Iowa makes an OU team you thought was better a weak ago worse than MSU.

 

[BeachAve]

So how do you cherry pick a GOOD team?

Iowa milked that NW win thru the polls all year.

Stanford beat 8 bowl teams.

Iowa beat 8 teams with losing/non-winning records

this "no-respect" card is BS

The polling folks bent over backwards for a team like Iiwa who is no better than #19 Houston

 

[CRLCy]

Time to move on and focus on OUR team. As much as I had a great big smile on my face when Iowa lost (couldn't help myself), we need to focus on what we can control.

Our behavior and supporting our team, that's what is important to me.

 

[AmesHawk]

Iowa milked that NW win thru the polls all year.

Stanford beat 8 bowl teams.

Iowa beat 8 teams with losing/non-winning records

this "no-respect" card is BS

The polling folks bent over backwards for a team like Iiwa who is no better than #19 Houston

Agreed. Iowa fans need to drop that fast. I understand why some national media had questions about Iowa, they did play a somewhat weak schedule (although it wasn't a cupcake schedule like so many here make it out to be). Besides, Iowa is getting a ton of respect from the national media and pundits after the MSU game. Apparently even Finebaum called himself an idiot for some of the things he said about them and gave them some love. I'll take it.

As for the Houston thing...:twitcy:

 

[CyTwins]

Agreed. Iowa fans need to drop that fast. I understand why some national media had questions about Iowa, they did play a somewhat weak schedule (although it wasn't a cupcake schedule like so many here make it out to be). Besides, Iowa is getting a ton of respect from the national media and pundits after the MSU game. Apparently even Finebaum called himself an idiot for some of the things he said about them and gave them some love. I'll take it.

As for the Houston thing...:twitcy:

Iowa played a very weak schedule. Pretty much the definition of a cupcake schedule.

I mean they only played 3 D1 teams with a winning record going into the B1G title game. That's crazy

 

[CyclonesForever]

I will give credit where credit is due. They impressed me against Michigan State and played extremely well. However, they didn't play anyone all season and I hope they get killed by Stanford.

 

[AmesHawk]

Iowa played a very weak schedule. Pretty much the definition of a cupcake schedule.

I mean they only played 3 D1 teams with a winning record going into the B1G title game. That's crazy

Eh, higher than FSU, Ohio State, Baylor, North Carolina....

I would consider a schedule like Houston or Temple to be a cupcake schedule, but to each their own.

 

[CyTwins]

Eh, higher than FSU, Ohio State, Baylor, North Carolina....

I would consider a schedule like Houston or Temple to be a cupcake schedule, but to each their own.

Listing teams that also had cupcake schedules really doesn't help your cause.

 

[mustangcy]

Eh, higher than FSU, Ohio State, Baylor, North Carolina....

I would consider a schedule like Houston or Temple to be a cupcake schedule, but to each their own.

Yeah...these false comments need to stop. I see it all over facebook. I suspect it came from data Jon Miller posted weeks before the season ended and well before those teams listed played several tough teams.

Literally none of those teams listed have a weaker schedule than Iowa. Please see the link:

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

 

[ICHawk24]

An entire thread of little brother.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

An entire thread of little brother.

And yet, here you are.

**** iowa.

 

[AmesHawk]

Yeah...these false comments need to stop. I see it all over facebook. I suspect it came from data Jon Miller posted weeks before the season ended and well before those teams listed played several tough teams.

Literally none of those teams listed have a weaker schedule than Iowa. Please see the link:

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

So... Sagarin is no longer the "Official" SOS metric for Cyclone Fanatic. Interesting.

FYI, your link lists ISU as #32 SOS, that "cupcake" tOSU SOS: #36. Apparently you guys need to schedule some harder teams.

Here is the CyFan approved website.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

 

[CyTwins]

So... Sagarin is no longer the "Official" SOS metric for Cyclone Fanatic. Interesting.

FYI, your link lists ISU as #32 SOS, that "cupcake" tOSU SOS: #36. Apparently you guys need to schedule some harder teams.

Here is the CyFan approved website.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Yeah I think Sagarin is the most accurate and if you look at the #13 Iowa Hawkeyes they definitely had a cupcake schedule

 

[CYdTracked]

I give respect that they had a great season going 12-1 which no one including even the biggest homer Hawk fans out there saw coming this season. However, I really have a hard time being happy for some Hawk fans because I just know too many that are complete douches and hate on the Cyclones. I hate the line "you should cheer/be happy for Iowa because they would do the same if it were the Cyclones in that situation" which I am sure there are some that might but I know a lot who wouldn't and would just have a field day of joy if the tables were turned and it was ISU who lost a game like that. I had one friend who pretty much chronicled his entire day in Indy on Facebook and while I am glad he got to expirience College Game day and his team playing in a big game I lost a lot of respect when he posted a video where he was already talking smack heading into the game telling fans that it was going to be a bloodbath and such. I might add that I know this guy would NEVER root for ISU in any circumstance because he's constantly trolling any ISU related posts on Facebook and just happens to be the guy that sent the message to Niang a couple years ago about how he had bigger breasts than his girlfriend. I do take a little joy in razzing him about that after Niang lost weight though.

What I really hate though are the Hawk fans that not only troll here but like pages on Facebook such as Iowa State Athletics, CF, WRNL, etc. and find the need to make stupid comments on every post by those pages. I don't like a single Hawkeye site on FB and I don't even visit Hawkeye message boards, I don't root for Iowa so I could care less what those places posts but apparently there is a good chunk of Hawk fans out there that feel the need to be obsessed with a team they say they dislike/hate/don't feel threatened by and they wonder why so many Cyclone fans can't be happy for Iowa fans because we've endured years of crap from trolls like them. The one comment I saw this weekend that I just laughed at was a Hawk fan saying "Cyclone fans should be rooting for Iowa right now, Iowa fans will be doing the same for ISU when they make a run in March." I call BS on that one, pretty sure we saw what a lot Hawk fans thought when they took pleasure in our 1st round upset and already saw a "have fun losing in the round of 32 again" comment somewhere yesterday too. This is why for most Hawk fans I can't root for your team and be happy for you regardless. I am happy for the friends I have who are the good kind of Hawk fans who don't act like idiots and can be respectful and for those friends I can actually hold a civil and intelligent conversation with them without them somehow bringing up something to knock ISU every time like some of my other friends do.

 

[BBHMagic]

So... Sagarin is no longer the "Official" SOS metric for Cyclone Fanatic. Interesting.

FYI, your link lists ISU as #32 SOS, that "cupcake" tOSU SOS: #36. Apparently you guys need to schedule some harder teams.

Here is the CyFan approved website.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Uhhh....Iowa has an even worse strength of schedule on that one. You're assisting the wrong argument here.....