Mitrou-Long Out Rest of Season

[Cyclonepride]

We played no defense in 2013 which is what allowed us to stay out of foul trouble. This team is not as efficient offensively as that 2013-14 squad. Depth can be overrated but you aren't going to survive Kansas, Oklahoma and West Virginia with seven players. We only survived Morgantown last year because we could go 9 deep.

I don't know exactly what these numbers represent, but in terms of offensive efficiency ranking, this team is sitting at 1118 and the 2013-14 team was 1115 (granted, that was vs a full year of competition as compared to this year's early stats).

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency?date=2014-04-07

 

[WastedTalent]

Then when's he's healthy we play 8! Math isn't hard.

You're right. I'll fix my own post.

He is waiting till he is 100%.... Which is next season.

If Naz sat out this season from the beginning, waiting to be 100%, we'd have been playing 6 up till this point, then 7 until he was healthy, which may not have happened at all. So you're still playing 7 guys!! Common sense ain't hard.

If he wasn't going to be 100% until the end of February, are you really going to risk inserting a new guy with only a few games left? No chance he comes in and starts right away, so we're only talking about him getting a handful of minutes per game.

You honestly think that's worth burning his whole senior season?

 

[Hoiball92]

You're right. I'll fix my own post.



If he wasn't going to be 100% until the end of February, are you really going to risk inserting a new guy with only a few games left? No chance he comes in and starts right away, so we're only talking about him getting a handful of minutes per game.

You honestly think that's worth burning his whole senior season?

If he isn't 100% by February then you apply for a medical redshirt at the end of the season.

 

[ISU42]

We played no defense in 2013 which is what allowed us to stay out of foul trouble. This team is not as efficient offensively as that 2013-14 squad. Depth can be overrated but you aren't going to survive Kansas, Oklahoma and West Virginia with seven players. We only survived Morgantown last year because we could go 9 deep.

We only played 8 that game. Nader played awesome.

 

[NATEizKING]

That's pretty amazing seeing as only 8 guys got minutes that game.

We didn't but we could. We still can go 9 deep. We can go 13 deep if we want.

 

[rochclone]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

 

[CyTwins]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

I don't think it'll be as big as a loss as you do, you think it will be a much bigger loss than I do. Truth is probably in the middle like usual

 

[cyclone101]

Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it, but is this the type of injury that can be made worse long-term if a full recovery isn't made the first time around?

 

[WastedTalent]

If he isn't 100% by February then you apply for a medical redshirt at the end of the season.

Technically, he could still come back and play this season, if we have some unfortunate injuries.

But my guess is, Naz and the staff knew he needed months of recovery, so they did the calculations and played him as long as possible, giving the team as much depth as they could, until Burton was eligible.

They may have thought that there was a chance he could play at a high enough level to justify playing him the rest of season when the time came, but it's obvious they decided it's not worth it to waste his senior season. Very difficult decision, and I think we should appreciate Prohm's unselfishness.

 

[NATEizKING]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

We can only play with 5 so 5 works.

 

[Doc]

We played no defense in 2013 which is what allowed us to stay out of foul trouble. This team is not as efficient offensively as that 2013-14 squad. Depth can be overrated but you aren't going to survive Kansas, Oklahoma and West Virginia with seven players. We only survived Morgantown last year because we could go 9 deep.

Yeah, I won't deny there will probably be a few games in the B12 season where I will really wish we had Naz or another solid big guy on the bench. I think that big picture, though, it won't have a significant impact on the season. If we lose the B12 by one game, maybe, but I think we'll have other things to blame if that happens.

 

[Gunnerclone]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

I don't think it'll be as big as a loss as you do, you think it will be a much bigger loss than I do. Truth is probably in the middle like usual

For me it came down to Georges, Monte and Jameel before the season started and it still comes down to Georges, Monte and Jameel now. We get All-American stuff from Georges and Monte and All-Conference/DPOY stuff from Jameel for a full season and we have the same chance to get to where we want to be which is the Final Four as we did if Naz plays all season or never plays a game this season.

 

[rochclone]

We can only play with 5 so 5 works.

Shocked, I thought we were playing six-on-six. And we all know that players with four fouls play as aggressive as players with two or three fouls. I got it, depth is not an issue as long as Burton lives up to the monumental hype, Matt Thomas continues to hit 5 three pointers a game and we have no foul trouble while playing in the best conference in America. Sounds tremendous. Check back in with me on January 2, 2016 at about 8:30 pm and we can have a discussion about how overvalued depth is after UNI, Cincy and Oklahoma.

 

[ISU42]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

Like you said we had 27 fouls in the game last year. How we had 4 more than WVU I'll never understand. They played like 30 guys and still only came away with 23.

 

[Dryburn]

My bad, we only played eight at West Virginia but splitting 27 fouls between 8 players and 27 fouls between seven players is a bit different. It means we likely finish that game with only 5 players we feel comfortable with.

Naz being on the sideline is alot different than Naz being on the court. I guess CyTwins has it all figured out. I hope we go 27-4 but I think people that don't adjust their expectations are going to be in for a rude awakening in the next three weeks.

Yeah, it means .48 more fouls per player.......I know......math is hard. To, me this is just a silly argument.

But, if you look at the game......Dustin and Monte fouled out.......with less than a minute left in the game. The only other player this may have affected would have been Georges...........but even that extra .48 does not mean he would have fouled out.

So far, this team has not been fouling very much. I'm guessing that is the approach they are taking, partly because of the new rules and partly (mainly) because they all know the bench is not deep, so it is best they stay out of foul trouble and stay on the floor.

For this team, the most important thing is to keep the components of this offense on the floor, because they can pretty much out-score anyone if their offense is working like normal.

I hate that ISU lost Naz for the season, but it is nothing to panic about at this point, or to use as an excuse later. Injuries happen. Every team has to deal with them. What has to happen is that another player, or some other players have to step up more. The primary 2 in this case will be Matt and Hallice, plus Burton needs to come through and contribute.

I also hope we can see more of Jordan especially. I'm not really sure why we didn't see him more in the non-con, but that is up to the coaches. The thing is, it seems he can provide offense if given the chance. Maybe he is weak defensively, I don't know.......but it would be nice to have some more depth. I also wish Carter had gotten more minutes in some of the non-con games, but that is up to the coaches, and as fans, we just have to trust that they know what is best, at least until they prove that they don't.

Stop panicking!

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Shocked, I thought we were playing six-on-six. And we all know that players with four fouls play as aggressive as players with two or three fouls. I got it, depth is not an issue as long as Burton lives up to the monumental hype, Matt Thomas continues to hit 5 three pointers a game and we have no foul trouble while playing in the best conference in America. Sounds tremendous. Check back in with me on January 2, 2016 at about 8:30 pm and we can have a discussion about how overvalued depth is after UNI, Cincy and Oklahoma.

Don't be stupid. Nobody is saying depth is overvalued. It's simply being said that it's not going to be the death blow that you seem to think it will be.

 

[Doc]

Shocked, I thought we were playing six-on-six. And we all know that players with four fouls play as aggressive as players with two or three fouls. I got it, depth is not an issue as long as Burton lives up to the monumental hype, Matt Thomas continues to hit 5 three pointers a game and we have no foul trouble while playing in the best conference in America. Sounds tremendous. Check back in with me on January 2, 2016 at about 8:30 pm and we can have a discussion about how overvalued depth is after UNI, Cincy and Oklahoma.

Come on now. I didn't realize we were arguing about having the 2nd coming of Kane and the best 3 pt shooter in the country as our 8th and 9th guys off the bench. :smile: I think you win that one.

 

[CyTwins]

This is going to be super annoying any time we lose a game this year it's going to come back to depth and Naz being out. ISU was going to lose 5 games with or without an 8 man rotation

 

[Nycclone]

Uni, really? I get cinci and Oklahoma but u n friggen i?

Shocked, I thought we were playing six-on-six. And we all know that players with four fouls play as aggressive as players with two or three fouls. I got it, depth is not an issue as long as Burton lives up to the monumental hype, Matt Thomas continues to hit 5 three pointers a game and we have no foul trouble while playing in the best conference in America. Sounds tremendous. Check back in with me on January 2, 2016 at about 8:30 pm and we can have a discussion about how overvalued depth is after UNI, Cincy and Oklahoma.

 

[rochclone]

It is equally annoying when people discount the loss of a 3 year starter and the vocal leader as if he was a minor contributor.