FB Recruiting Avg Rating Comparison

[ShopTalk]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	82.45	8 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

 

[CyCloned]

This does not take into account player development, that in general ISU has sucked at under CPR. Case in point, Iowa classes over the past few years have been only slightly better than ISUs, yet they were in the talk for NC game just a few weeks ago, and would still be if they had stopped MSU at the goal line. So, Iowa is way better at finding undervalued player or developing those players, or most likely both. Also, it is a little early to compare this year's class in the Big 12, with the new coaches in place for less than 2 months.

Also, it looks like 2013 and 2014 were good recruiting classes for ISU, yet the 2014 and 2015 seasons were two of the most disappointing under CPR.

 

[ShopTalk]

All recruiting and prediction mags will tell you that a senior laden starting roster will typically perform better than an underclasmen laden team.

So, yeah, it's taken into consideration. The only magic pills for exceeding normal player development outcomes are outlawed for the sport to keep these kind of surprises from happening.

 

[LutherBlue]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	81.91	10 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

This overlooks our new coach using Twitter, staying up late at night, and Jesus. Calling ******** here.

 

[ShopTalk]

LutherBlue, may Jesus and CMC save you (or me) from your (or my) delusions.

 

[cytheguy]

I give our AD and marketing dept credit for trying to make Iowa State look better and more relevant than we actually are. But I just can't take the bait anymore. Going to take a wait and see approach from now on. Sure, CMC is bringing in some recruits, but most of them are Toledo recruits. The real measure will be on the field, and what he brings in with next year's class.

 

[ShopTalk]

Ah, the genius of a new stadium is it will draw larger crowds. Succeeded!

 

[ShopTalk]

The reality is so harsh, I need a song that sums it up to make us feel better............


https://youtu.be/mEV4Tov1GBM


My vote for the song players run onto the field with, after scores and first downs....all the time. Play it like you CELEBRATE it! And wear it like the badge of honor it is when you beat Texas 24-0.....Or the Underdog theme song. That'd work too.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

I give our AD and marketing dept credit for trying to make Iowa State look better and more relevant than we actually are. But I just can't take the bait anymore. Going to take a wait and see approach from now on. Sure, CMC is bringing in some recruits, but most of them are Toledo recruits. The real measure will be on the field, and what he brings in with next year's class.

We only took like 2-3 Toledo recruits, yes some of the recruits had Toledo offers but also a lot of our recruits had P5 offers which if you remember with CPR was very rare to get.

 

[Stormin]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	81.91	10 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

What does it mean? Well we are not done yet. We are going after a couple of big ones in Sean Foster and Chase Pine. Foster is a 90 rating for example.

And according to 247 Sports our class right now is ranked 8 out of 10. NOT 10 out of 10. In 2014, Iowa State ranked 10 out of 10.....NOT 5 out of 10. In 2013, Iowa State was ranked 9 out of 10.....NOT 7 out of 10. So you have made some glaring mistakes.

Matt Campbell has been on the job for about a month. And what you are more or less saying is that Matt Campbell is at least equalling or bettering our recruiting in that short span. And he has done so in only about 1 month. That is amazing.

 

[CyNerd]

What does it mean? Well we are not done yet. We are going after a couple of big ones in Sean Foster and Chase Pine. Foster is a 90 rating for example.

And according to 247 Sports our class right now is ranked 8 out of 10. NOT 10 out of 10. In 2014, Iowa State ranked 10 out of 10.....NOT 5 out of 10. In 2013, Iowa State was ranked 9 out of 10.....NOT 7 out of 10. So you have made some glaring mistakes.

Matt Campbell has been on the job for about a month. And what you are more or less saying is that Matt Campbell is at least equalling or bettering our recruiting in that short span. And he has done so in only about 1 month. That is amazing.

He is ranking based on average player rating, so that would be different than what 247 lists. I will say though that it would probably be better to look at the median because of the obvious outliers...Lazard, Campos, etc

To Stormin's point though, wait until the class is complete. Chase Pine and Sean Foster will definitely pull us above a mean of 82. Also consider that our high recruits this year will have zero ISU connections (like Campos and Lazard) and this will still be in the top 3, if not top 2 or 1.

 

[ShopTalk]

He is ranking based on average player rating, so that would be different than what 247 lists. I will say though that it would probably be better to look at the median because of the obvious outliers...Lazard, Campos, etc

Yep.

 

[Cyrocks]

I will never understand threads like this. I am not saying everyone has to see the world through Cardinal and Gold glasses, but what point is the OP trying to make here? So the OP doesn't like Pollard, the south end zone bowled in, the new football coach hire and little kids in general, but good grief. Just because the OP ain't happy why feel the need to pee in other people's Cheerios? Not a single game has been played under the new football coach and already the OP thinks the hire is a complete and utter failure.

I have no clue if this as a good hire or not -- nobody does. But I would rather give the new coach the benefit of the doubt and be a little optimistic about the future instead of doing the old "gloom despair and agony on me" bit.

 

[cygrads]

Got to let 2016 play out before you start comparing to prior years. Also you can try to temper people's expectations but it is a fool's errand.

 

[bosco]

tl;dr

Oh no, We suck again.

 

[Beyerball]

To me, the best recruiting ranking measurement is the average player rating. So spare me the hype, let's look at the best available metrics.

Here is ISU's avg player ranking in the B12 using 247sports ratings:

Year	Avg. Rating	Big 12 Class Rank
2016	81.91	10 of 10
2015	82.17	9 of 10
2014	82.49	5 of 10
2013	82.20	7 of 10
2012	81.70	8 of 10
2011	81.19	10 of 12
2010	80.99	10 of 12
2009	80.57	11 of 12 KSU last
2008	79.89	11 of 12 - TCU last
2007	80.01	11 of 12 - TCU last
2006	79.99	10 of 12
2005	80.63	8 of 12
2004	78.99	8 of 12
2003	79.39	Tie for last with BU
2002	81.75	9 of 12

Note: Big 12 composite shows TCU and WVU all the way back, even though they weren't in the league then. Drops CU and NU. Shows that TCU out-recruited ISU even in the MWC. Location, location, location.

What's it mean? Recruiting really doesn't change much, regardless of coaches, new stadium or new facilities at ISU. It means like all the prognosticators do, you can predict the season within 1-2 game variance for final outcomes. The only wild card is guys who don't pan out or exceed expectations need to be accounted for.

So next year, when the preseason mags come out and predict 2-4 wins for ISU, set your realistic expectations there. They'll be right on or close. They are almost every year. Expect maybe a 1-2 game upside due to B12 coaches not knowing what the new guys schemes are.

Nice troll job. Must be one of those hawk fans who are worried about the fact Campbell might actually be a good recruiter.

Your graph is wrong and unobviously asjusted it.

2014 IsU did not finish 5th in big 12 in recruiting according to 247. They were 10th. And ranked 58th in country. Only reason it was even that high was because Lazard was nearly a 5 star.



Here is 2014:


247Sports Composite Ranking Natl Rank: 58 Big-12 Rank: 10 Avg Rating: 0.824

10th in big 12. Or....last. And only reason it was that high was because Lazard was a 5 star nearly.


This class isn't done either. It has just begun actually. Wait 3-4 weeks and come back after Cambell gets a commit from a couple 4 stars.

 

[CyCloned]

What does it mean? Well we are not done yet. We are going after a couple of big ones in Sean Foster and Chase Pine. Foster is a 90 rating for example.

And according to 247 Sports our class right now is ranked 8 out of 10. NOT 10 out of 10. In 2014, Iowa State ranked 10 out of 10.....NOT 5 out of 10. In 2013, Iowa State was ranked 9 out of 10.....NOT 7 out of 10. So you have made some glaring mistakes.

Matt Campbell has been on the job for about a month. And what you are more or less saying is that Matt Campbell is at least equalling or bettering our recruiting in that short span. And he has done so in only about 1 month. That is amazing.

I was wondering about 2013 and 14, because I did not remember those classes being that good. I am looking for ISU to finish up 7 or 8 in the Big 12, which would still be an improvement over prior years. If Campbell can get the core of the returning starters to stay then I still think he has a good shot at a winning season next year. I hope the team has a real offensive identity next year.

I also hope that they will go under center for 3rd and a foot. Just having someone that can figure out how to consistently pick up short yardage first downs would be a huge improvement.

 

[ShopTalk]

You can't troll with facts man. BeyerBall, hate on 247sports all you want - in fact, I recommend you keep your tinfoil hat on at all times. It could get rough for you without it. Oh, and new glasses. You can't read.

I ranked on average player rating people....come on now, keep up!

That said, it is the most exciting signing class since they fired Mac/Chizik/Rhoads, isn't it????

2013 and 2014 increased rating mystery = Lazard and Campos, M'kay? And that's Allen Lazard, not Anthony Lazard.

 

[Stewo]

I'm not exactly sure what people are expecting. There are a hundred different ways to break down recruits. However, the only real objective way is to look at their other offers. The more Power 5 offers, the better. These kids that this staff are bringing in have many, many more than what the last staff did. Everything else is human opinion with human biases. To top it off, there are several different people working on these evaluations. At the end of the day, there is very little difference in 247's average ranking across the Big 12 (~6.5 points avg from us to Baylor).

 

[inCyteful]

Out of curiosity, where would Texas have landed in your rating system over the same time period?