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tolfbfan

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ShopTalk said:
To the Rhoads coaching point: Hiring Mangino was the official end of the Paul Rhoads era. Not having a o-coord coach who was a pound the ball B10/SEC pro-style guy with a little spread thrown in from the get go was his fatal flaw. He didn't build relationships of mutual respect and get along with his Offensive coaches along the way, or at least not good ones that would follow him to ISU. There was always visible discord with ALL of his offensive coordinators, usually seen on game day rants or weekly press day firings. That includes Hermann, who would dish it back. Not a good way to build a team.

On point two, I don't care. And the stats suggest it doesn't matter. They will get the same level of talent, regardless.

I leave one exception: When Harbaugh interviewed for the job and was "dropping F bombs duriing the interview" and likely using ISU to get a better deal elsewhere, Pollard should have called him out on it and said the following:

"It sure looks to me like you're trying to not get hired and are using me to get yourself more money where you think you want to go."

Regardless of Harbuaghs' BS response he immediately slides a contract to Harbaugh and says: So you have the job. Do you accept?

When he says he has to look it over and stalls, he says: "How much? Just put in the figure your agent says you're going to get at the other school and add a little more - but only if you sign it now."

When he balks and get up to walk out of the room, "You underestimate the value of having an ISU turnaround on your coaching resume. If Gene Chizik can go 5-17 and then get hired to win a national championship without the abiltiy to coach, imagine what it would do for you. And you underestimate you drawing power - or you fear the challenge."

And with that, Replace the Stanford rise to ISU, but probably lower level of success, like 9 win seasons. That is the biggest failure is recent ISU athletics. To have a bona fide coaching whale on campus interviewing and to not seal the deal.
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I have a headache and am so confused:confused::confused::confused:
 
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cyrocksmypants said:
I prefer taking with a grain of salt the recruiting sites evaluation of teenagers and prefer to wait and see how they perform on the field for us before declaring the sky is falling.
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Good for you. You're past denial and into the bargaining phase. Only a few more to go...
 
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ShopTalk

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tolfbfan said:
I have a headache and am so confused
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Long ago in a far, far away galaxy, ISU AD Pollard had his choice of coaching candidates as follows:

Jim Harbaugh - front runner - but swears too much and tells people he's interviewing so he's out. Wasn't interested anyways they tell us.
Jim Kelley
Art Briles
Gene Chizik

ISU fans have and still cherish Chizik coins to this day, I have no idea why. The fantasy continues that way? I don't know...They'll tell you they threw them in Lake Laverne, which is more like a puddle than a pond and certainly not a lake, but I digress....they have secretly sown two of these coins into their underwear for game day. For protection from ISU reality. Don't do it! Don't you do it TolFBfan! There's no coming back after that.

I did mix in time travel however - Pollard couldn't have said the Chizik comments to Harbuagh. That hadn't happened yet.
 
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Die4Cy

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ShopTalk said:
To the Rhoads coaching point: Hiring Mangino was the official end of the Paul Rhoads era. Not having a o-coord coach who was a pound the ball B10/SEC pro-style guy with a little spread thrown in from the get go was his fatal flaw. He didn't build relationships of mutual respect and get along with his Offensive coaches along the way, or at least not good ones that would follow him to ISU. There was always visible discord with ALL of his offensive coordinators, usually seen on game day rants or weekly press day firings. That includes Hermann, who would dish it back. Not a good way to build a team.

On point two, I don't care. And the stats suggest it doesn't matter. They will get the same level of talent, regardless.

I leave one exception: When Harbaugh interviewed for the job and was "dropping F bombs duriing the interview" and likely using ISU to get a better deal elsewhere, Pollard should have called him out on it and said the following:

"It sure looks to me like you're trying to not get hired and are using me to get yourself more money where you think you want to go."

Regardless of Harbuaghs' BS response he immediately slides a contract to Harbaugh and says: So you have the job. Do you accept?

When he says he has to look it over and stalls, he says: "How much? Just put in the figure your agent says you're going to get at the other school and add a little more - but only if you sign it now."

When he balks and get up to walk out of the room, "You underestimate the value of having an ISU turnaround on your coaching resume. If Gene Chizik can go 5-17 and then get hired to win a national championship without the abiltiy to coach, imagine what it would do for you. And you underestimate you drawing power - or you fear the challenge."

And with that, Replace the Stanford rise to ISU, but probably lower level of success, like 9 win seasons. That is the biggest failure is recent ISU athletics. To have a bona fide coaching whale on campus interviewing and to not seal the deal.
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And we've reached the fan fiction portion of the off season.
 
BWRhasnoAC

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It's getting sad. I especially liked when he used my source, to show his numbers were innaccurate. I think he's some 70 year old man out in rural western Iowa, who gets into ******* contests with his drinking buddies and think's he understands more than he does.

The Chizik stuff is really funny to read though. I think he just has something against Jamie? I'm right there with him unfortunately.
 
tolfbfan

tolfbfan

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ShopTalk said:
Long ago in a far, far away galaxy, ISU AD Pollard had his choice of coaching candidates as follows:

Jim Harbaugh - front runner - but swears too much and tells people he's interviewing so he's out. Wasn't interested anyways they tell us.
Jim Kelley
Art Briles
Gene Chizik

ISU fans have and still cherish Chizik coins to this day, I have no idea why. The fantasy continues that way? I don't know...They'll tell you they threw them in Lake Laverne, which is more like a puddle than a pond and certainly not a lake, but I digress....they have secretly sown two of these coins into their underwear for game day. For protection from ISU reality. Don't do it! Don't you do it TolFBfan! There's no coming back after that.

I did mix in time travel however - Pollard couldn't have said the Chizik comments to Harbuagh. That hadn't happened yet.
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OKAY!!!! Was Return of the Zombies filmed in Ames???? This fiction movie could be a cover for true happenings.
 
ShopTalk

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BWRhasnoAC said:
It's getting sad. I especially liked when he used my source, to show his numbers were innaccurate. I think he's some 70 year old man out in rural western Iowa, who gets into ******* contests with his drinking buddies and think's he understands more than he does.

The Chizik stuff is really funny to read though. I think he just has something against Jamie? I'm right there with him unfortunately.
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You're crazy, crazy I tell ya. Prove "my" numbers are not "your" numbers. Otherwise this is just slander (the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.). I told you to check the numbers if you like and show where it's "wrong". I don't see any links.

And they're not my or your numbers they're ISU's and 247sports.coms. Have trouble delineating self vs. other? That's a symptom of serious mental illness, no joke. Get help with interpersonal boundaries and what is "yours" and what is "others".

http://psychcentral.com/lib/what-are-personal-boundaries-how-do-i-get-some/

None of this is "yours" - but you've identified your personal boundaries around it. You likely have nothing to do with ISU FB for better or worse beyond an affiliation or like of ISU and/or ISU FB.
 
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cyrocksmypants

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ShopTalk said:
If you add "at ISU", then yes.
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Got it. I didn't initially realize what kind of poster you were. That's my mistake. You're really no better than the "sunshine pumpers" you decry, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. Hopefully at some point you'll realize there's a large amount of space in the middle ground.
 
ShopTalk

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It's the end of the CMC era explained at the beginning all nice and easy peasy. I wanted to get ahead of the Fire Coach Cambell threads. Time travel and statistics and all.

Too much too soon?
 
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ShopTalk said:
It's the end of the CMC era explained at the beginning all nice and easy peasy. I wanted to get ahead of the Fire Coach Cambell threads. Time travel and statistics and all.

Too much too soon?
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Campbell has been on the job for about a month and we have gone from the 91st rated recruits to 61st on Rivals and from last place in the Big 12 to 8th place.

Yes I am impressed. I am excited about some of the really big undecided recruits we actually have a shot at getting in this recruiting class. For a new staff to come into a school and in one month do what Campbell is doing is damn impressive. It is idiotic to suggest that nothing has changed on the recruiting front because it has. We just had the highest rated QB we have gotten in years, enroll for the second semester at ISU.
 
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