Fixes for ISU? Cyclones have ID'd a couple

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Agree up 11, don't jack up a quick 3. Get the hoop and harm and extend the lead after running at least 15-18 seconds off the clock
 

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Good stuff, Rob.

This team is still fun to watch and could be the last good team we have for awhile so I'm going to enjoy every minute of it!
 

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I like what Prohm had to say. With our lack of depth, slowing the game down can really help us, and I've caught myself saying that more this season than any under Hoiberg. We can still be an elite offensive team without pushing the ball at all costs.
 

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Agree up 11, don't jack up a quick 3. Get the hoop and harm and extend the lead after running at least 15-18 seconds off the clock


The sad thing, this has been our problem for years.
 

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I agree that when Baylor is going on a run, the worst thing U can do is start Jackin Up 3"s.....

Drive To The Basket and either Score or Go to the Foul Line

I think an and 1 is more backbreaking than a 3 in those situations, plus it gets the other team out of rhythm with the stoppage of play, allows our guys to catch their breath.

These are at least little things that are fixable, I guess better to find out about them now so we can fix them rather than have everything go our way. Sometimes adversity is good in the long run provided it works itself into a long run...get it long run. I'll be here all day.
 

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on a somewhat related note, on Nader's I think second offensive foul, anyone else see it coming from a mile away?
 

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I think it highlights just how quick our offensive plays are when you can hold it for 15-20 seconds and feel like you can still get off the play you want (and thinking about it, I agree they can).

And I also see wisdom in the thought that our quick shots are allowing other teams to get out on the break.

However, I am thinking straight up defensive intensity is just as important as the things mentioned (which translates to trusting and playing the bench more). I would like to see Burton and Cooke to get 40 minutes a game between the two of them.
 

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I think it highlights just how quick our offensive plays are when you can hold it for 15-20 seconds and feel like you can still get off the play you want (and thinking about it, I agree they can).

And I also see wisdom in the thought that our quick shots are allowing other teams to get out on the break.

However, I am thinking straight up defensive intensity is just as important as the things mentioned (which translates to trusting and playing the bench more). I would like to see Burton and Cooke to get 40 minutes a game between the two of them.

When we are struggling to make shots, our offense is very similar to our football offense. Every quick shot we jack up just means we have to play defense right away again. I'd be willing to bet we spend more time per game playing defense than offense on a consistent basis.
 

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I hope they can do better at gauging an appropriate pace, while playing with a lead. It can be difficult if you reel off 6 or 8 straight points quickly, it's natural to want to keep piling on, which can lead to shooting too quickly or forcing too much action early in the shot clock.
 

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on a somewhat related note, on Nader's I think second offensive foul, anyone else see it coming from a mile away?

Yeah, everybody sees it. The eyes glaze over, head dips to to full back postion and here he comes!
Works sometimes....
 

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I hope they can do better at gauging an appropriate pace, while playing with a lead. It can be difficult if you reel off 6 or 8 straight points quickly, it's natural to want to keep piling on, which can lead to shooting too quickly or forcing too much action early in the shot clock.

This is the key in my opinion. I am all for us running if we have an advantage. Go, go go... Shoot the open three or take it to the rim when you have numbers. That isn't the problem.

The problem is the fact that when we DON'T have a numbers advantage or an open shot in transition, we do something stupid 5 seconds later.

I mean... Matt can get a step back 25 footer at any point in the shot clock. Nader can bull his way baseline and jump in the air with 6 on the clock just as well as 20. When they do this with 20+ seconds on the clock against a defense that is set it is not smart.

I just wish they knew the difference between getting a shot in transition that won't be as easy to get against a half court set defense and a shot they could get at any point in time.
 

Spanky

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I feel better already.
I can probably stop stealing Mom's zanax and replacing them with Tic-Tacs.
 

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The sad thing, this has been our problem for years.

This. Indeed, clock management, knowing when to push and when to milk a little clock, when to attack etc. has been a consistent problem. It's too bad really because these things are fixable. We should try to channel some Dedric Willoughby.
 

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Maybe we should try to not give up a career high 27 points to a bench player.

A few quick shots certainly didn't help, but 89 points generally should be enough to win in regulation. We gave up 94 points on 52% shooting. I do blame fatigue, in part.
 

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This was a quote from Scott Drew, before the game: Drew said, "but I believe we'll do a better job controlling what we can control. That's identifying what their strengths are and taking them away"

This may have simply been coach speak, but it worries me if it's not. Scott Drew was able to identify and execute a strategy to beat Iowa St, at Hilton.
 

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Well they took georges away with triangle and two(but that was later) , did a good job of taking away our transition baskets (for the most part), and they took away our home court momentum with early and often used timeouts. Same formula as last year, I guess. Speaking of fatigue, didn't Motley play the entire 2nd half? Dude never looked tired.