Fred
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I don't fault him for taking the $$$.
I just figured that, at some point, the $$$ has to have some diminishing return for him. He made plenty as a player and plenty coaching in Ames for any mortal being.
Glory/ego/accomplishment matters to somebody of his stature, as well. Take $$$$$ to walk into a bad situation in Chicago... Or take slightly less (again, at that scale, diminishing returns) to walk into a much better situation with a young, talented roster, supportive ownership, low expectations, and players that match his style in someplace like Minnesota? Or just be a legend in Ames and make $2-$3 mil forever?
I just feel there had to be better ways to maximize both his basketball *and* financial return, if you assume there is some trade-off there. In particular, consider that he might not survive the Bulls job and forever have this "farm boy who could win in college but couldn't hack it in the NBA" label attached to him, which could have killed an otherwise long and *extremely* lucrative career with Wiggins and KAT kicking *** for him.
He could have had similar amounts of money under much more conducive circumstances.
If we don't start playing better and with more toughness tj isn't going to go anywhere
Fred ****ed Prohm over. Quit recruiting and let our players get away with way too much. Created an undesirable culture that will take a year or two to break. I've hated the bulls since Jordan so it doesn't pain me to see them struggle.
Powerhouse? Exactly which important banners have we hung from the rafters from the Fred regime?
I will say the hate for Fred is way more than he deserves. Mostly due to people still being mad he bolted for the "no defense league" and the Bulls.
You can argue he screwed ISU over in recruiting. What I don't buy is that he completely ****ed Prohm over. How many coaches get a top 25 team to start off their coaching career? Not many, and rare to happen to Iowa State. ISU arguably has a 7 man rotation this year but that's not much different than prior Hoiberg teams.
Oh but Cash, all the best players are seniors, that'll make his transition tough for the future. ISU still possibly has Monte next year, Matt Thomas (who has made great leaps from being CF whipping boy to being a possible go to player next year), Burton, and Naz (a bonus). Even with Monte gone, those guys combined with Malou, Jackson, Long, etc., could be a team that surprises next year and gets into the tournament.
Fred did some great things for ISU basketball program. Made the Sweet 16, Back-to-back conference tournament champions, got ISU into the top 25 and stayed there, most wins against the top 25 in the past 3 seasons he was at ISU (I believe), made the tournament 4 times in a row. These things don't happen at ISU very often, and whoever came after Fred had a huge task at hand to keep ISU at the current level. I'll take that culture any day of the week.
Fans are forgetting the McDermott and Morgan days. Undisciplined (Morgan), being the laughingstock of the Big 12 who couldn't even make the NIT (McDermott). The expectations may have been too high for this team with a new coach, that's why you see all the meltdowns that go on after losing to a top 25 road team.
You can argue he screwed ISU over in recruiting. What I don't buy is that he completely ****ed Prohm over. How many coaches get a top 25 team to start off their coaching career? Not many, and rare to happen to Iowa State. ISU arguably has a 7 man rotation this year but that's not much different than prior Hoiberg teams.
Oh but Cash, all the best players are seniors, that'll make his transition tough for the future. ISU still possibly has Monte next year, Matt Thomas (who has made great leaps from being CF whipping boy to being a possible go to player next year), Burton, and Naz (a bonus). Even with Monte gone, those guys combined with Malou, Jackson, Long, etc., could be a team that surprises next year and gets into the tournament.
Fred did some great things for ISU basketball program. Made the Sweet 16, Back-to-back conference tournament champions, got ISU into the top 25 and stayed there, most wins against the top 25 in the past 3 seasons he was at ISU (I believe), made the tournament 4 times in a row. These things don't happen at ISU very often, and whoever came after Fred had a huge task at hand to keep ISU at the current level. I'll take that culture any day of the week.
Fans are forgetting the McDermott and Morgan days. Undisciplined (Morgan), being the laughingstock of the Big 12 who couldn't even make the NIT (McDermott). The expectations may have been too high for this team with a new coach, that's why you see all the meltdowns that go on after losing to a top 25 road team.
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Fact isn't the same as an opinion
I don't, I said it's a guess....
being a consistent top 25 team. I guess it's not quite as good as McDermott and Morgan but still good.
LOL.
Some of your have shorter than **** memories. Fred came in with a BARE CUPBOARD, and he left the program with an All Timer in Niang, a All conference PG in Morris, two great SG in Long and Thomas, the Big12 Defensive player of the year in McKay, and good Forward in Nadar, and another good one on the bench in Burton.
I mean when you leave that kind of LOADED roster, how in the **** can you say the cupboard is bare?
Because college basketball requires 4 year guys, not just juniors and seniors. It seems like he went for a few big fish and when he didn't get them (specifically because he couldn't commit to here) he gave up.
And frankly it doesnt matter what Fred started with because we are talking about now, not 6 years ago. Everyone knows fred turned this place around. No one denies that. People are mad that he turned it around and then left in way he did. He could have handled it way better.
I dunno. I'm not trying to start an argument about that but after the cost of living adjustment it's not something that would intrigue me.
Who knows how much time Carol spent with her or Fred's parents during the day too and now that isn't quite as easy.
Fred wasn't a money spending, flashy guy so I think it had more to do with the challenge and less with the money.
I don't care either way.
I'm an ISU fan. Not a Fred Hoiberg fan. I love the things he did here, but what he does beyond ISU just really isn't a big deal to me.
I don't hate the guy like some, but "The Mayor" is dead. He's Fred Hoiberg. Basically Tim Floyd, except he played here too.
I'm an ISU fan. Not a Fred Hoiberg fan. I love the things he did here, but what he does beyond ISU just really isn't a big deal to me.
I don't hate the guy like some, but "The Mayor" is dead. He's Fred Hoiberg. Basically Tim Floyd, except he played here too.
Hoiberg turned this program from a doormat to a consistent winner. That's something we should all be grateful for.
But Fred's success the last couple of years was hinged upon some buzzer beaters and very close key wins. Those even out eventually. It's no coincidence that this year's team and last year's team have basically the same stats. We are just losing more close games which is bound to happen. Plus we play more good teams this year that we have in the past.
But Fred's success the last couple of years was hinged upon some buzzer beaters and very close key wins. Those even out eventually. It's no coincidence that this year's team and last year's team have basically the same stats. We are just losing more close games which is bound to happen. Plus we play more good teams this year that we have in the past.
Relax with the Fred hate, he is the reason that we have any good memories the past 5 years about ISU. Imagine if McDoormat was still here or some other Mid Major coach trying to backdoor ISU into the NIT. Then throw the past 3 years of Football on top, then ISU would be the laughing stock of P5 conferences and possibly looking at being replaced (i know that might be a stretch).
Us fans have a lot to be thankful for from Freddy, i know it hurts when your #1 son leaves the nest - but appreciate where we are today because of him.
You never know, in a year or two he may realize the NBA dream is not as good as he had in his mind and maybe he comes back to Ames.
Us fans have a lot to be thankful for from Freddy, i know it hurts when your #1 son leaves the nest - but appreciate where we are today because of him.
You never know, in a year or two he may realize the NBA dream is not as good as he had in his mind and maybe he comes back to Ames.
