Big 12 realignment is back...looks like real changes coming soon.

[3GenClone]

Here are some realignment scenarios I like:

1. Add Cincy and UConn - easy and obvious. Both programs join the North Division with WVU, ISU, Kansas and K State.

2a. Cincy and UConn join along with Memphis and one of the following schools: Louisville, Pitt or Syracuse. Memphis would be the 7th school in the Big 12 South and that ACC-defector would join the Big 12 North. Football would be a 9 game conference schedule: play everyone in the division and 3 cross-divisional games.

2b. If no team would leave the ACC then extend an invites to UConn, Cincy, Memphis & Temple. Temple becomes the "Rutgers" of the Big 12 and extends the Big 12 TV footprint to the Philadelphia market (#4 in the nation) and opens up the recruiting footprint into PA.

3. Forget UConn and Cincy and invite Arizona, Arizona State, BYU and either Boise State or Colorado State. Divisions would be a mess to figure out and WVU would be stranded but it adds 3 higher-caliber programs than any of the previous scenarios.

 

[CycloneErik]

No. I don't hate Mormons. But the Big 12 does NOT need BYU. And if BYU wants to join the Big 12 then they have to agree to play on Sundays just like our other religious private schools in the Big 12, like Baylor and TCU.

Explain to me WHY BYU should get special treatment. We can survive without them. And they are not the great big superpower program that you make them out to be. If they were, the Pac 12 would have scooped them up instead of taking Utah.

Trying to understand your obsession about wanting BYU. It isn't like they are in close proximity.

That's a fair point. We do have like schools making the same "sacrifice."

 

[CySanka3]

If we made a North Division of ISU, KU, KSU, UCONN, Cincy, WVU it would be worse the the Big10 West.

That and you cant put Texas, OU, Baylor, and TCU in the same division; they'll get split so the best 2 can face off in the CCG.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Trying to understand your obsession about wanting BYU. It isn't like they are in close proximity.

First: I would want them brought on board as football only. Let the West Coast Conference deal with their Sunday scheduling headaches. I bet BYU would agree to this arrangement. If we stay at 12 teams, this allows for 11 schools to continue round robin scheduling in all other sports. Win win!

Second: Proximity-wise they are closer to Big 12 country than freaking UCONN. Take WVU out of the equation and it makes no sense.

Of the candidates being discussed (outside of poaching the ACC), BYU is the only program to boast a National Title in football. They would surpass ISU in having the 3rd largest stadium, and the fan support to keep those seats full. Who wants to see the Longhorns way up in Connecticut playing in an empty stadium? How would that not be an embarrassment for our conference?

 

[WastedTalent]

No. I don't hate Mormons. But the Big 12 does NOT need BYU. And if BYU wants to join the Big 12 then they have to agree to play on Sundays just like our other religious private schools in the Big 12, like Baylor and TCU.

Explain to me WHY BYU should get special treatment. We can survive without them. And they are not the great big superpower program that you make them out to be. If they were, the Pac 12 would have scooped them up instead of taking Utah.

Trying to understand your obsession about wanting BYU. It isn't like they are in close proximity.

Yeah because the big 12 always plays on Sundays...

 

[3GenClone]

If we made a North Division of ISU, KU, KSU, UCONN, Cincy, WVU it would be worse the the Big10 West.

That and you cant put Texas, OU, Baylor, and TCU in the same division; they'll get split so the best 2 can face off in the CCG.

I agree with you that any proposed Big 12 North Division would automatically become the worst division in all of the P5 conferences, but Iowa's success last year appears to have identified a loophole in the football playoff system. Imagine that WVU or Kansas State has that divisional schedule and also has the benefit of NOT having to play Oklahoma, TCU or Baylor (similar to how Iowa didn't play Michigan, Ohio State or Michigan State). A team in that Big 12 North division with that terrible schedule all of a sudden because a legitimate candidate to be in the playoff conversation because "that was the schedule they were dealt." I think the Big 12 needs to seriously look at that possibility when considersing candidates for expansion.

 

[Stormin]

First: I would want them brought on board as football only. Let the West Coast Conference deal with their Sunday scheduling headaches. I bet BYU would agree to this arrangement. If we stay at 12 teams, this allows for 11 schools to continue round robin scheduling in all other sports. Win win!

Second: Proximity-wise they are closer to Big 12 country than freaking UCONN. Take WVU out of the equation and it makes no sense.

Of the candidates being discussed (outside of poaching the ACC), BYU is the only program to boast a National Title in football. They would surpass ISU in having the 3rd largest stadium, and the fan support to keep those seats full. Who wants to see the Longhorns way up in Connecticut playing in an empty stadium? How would that not be an embarrassment for our conference?

I don't want to take BYU for football only. I don't even want BYU as a full member. Provo is way out in left field. UCONN is about as close to ISU as BYU. They really don't add anything to the Big 12. And it isn't like that is fertile recruiting ground. We would be better off pursuing Memphis. Large population. Geography fits better. Close to WVU.

No one wants BYU. They are a PIA.

 

[Hoiball92]

First: I would want them brought on board as football only. Let the West Coast Conference deal with their Sunday scheduling headaches. I bet BYU would agree to this arrangement. If we stay at 12 teams, this allows for 11 schools to continue round robin scheduling in all other sports. Win win!

Second: Proximity-wise they are closer to Big 12 country than freaking UCONN. Take WVU out of the equation and it makes no sense.

Of the candidates being discussed (outside of poaching the ACC), BYU is the only program to boast a National Title in football. They would surpass ISU in having the 3rd largest stadium, and the fan support to keep those seats full. Who wants to see the Longhorns way up in Connecticut playing in an empty stadium? How would that not be an embarrassment for our conference?

Adding a school for 1 sport is stupid

 

[KnappShack]

Adding a school for 1 sport is stupid

Better not look at the Big 12 wrestling roster

 

[CY88CE11]

Yeah because the big 12 always plays on Sundays...

Our softball, golf (both men's and women's), and women's tennis teams fairly regularly compete on Sundays during the Big 12 season, and others occasionally do as well.

 

[Stormin]

First: I would want them brought on board as football only. Let the West Coast Conference deal with their Sunday scheduling headaches. I bet BYU would agree to this arrangement. If we stay at 12 teams, this allows for 11 schools to continue round robin scheduling in all other sports. Win win!

Second: Proximity-wise they are closer to Big 12 country than freaking UCONN. Take WVU out of the equation and it makes no sense.

Of the candidates being discussed (outside of poaching the ACC), BYU is the only program to boast a National Title in football. They would surpass ISU in having the 3rd largest stadium, and the fan support to keep those seats full. Who wants to see the Longhorns way up in Connecticut playing in an empty stadium? How would that not be an embarrassment for our conference?

UCONN is about 100 miles further from ISU than BYU. And I have said that I prefer Memphis.

And you can NOT take WVU out of the equation. They are a member of the Big 12.

And the only school that the Big 12 would take Football Only is Notre Dame. We sure as hell aren't going to give away all that money and prestige of being in the Big 12 to BYU. We do NOT need them. BYU can not survive as an Independent. That is why their coach left.

WHY are you so obsessed with BYU who does Nothing for the Big 12?

 

[CY88CE11]

Better not look at the Big 12 wrestling roster

Wrestling is a slightly different animal than football.

 

[CYCLNST8]

I don't want to take BYU for football only. I don't even want BYU as a full member. Provo is way out in left field. UCONN is about as close to ISU as BYU. They really don't add anything to the Big 12. And it isn't like that is fertile recruiting ground. We would be better off pursuing Memphis. Large population. Geography fits better.

I'm on board with Memphis & Cincy. A little geographic sanity would be nice. I don't understand the desire to add another far flung island just for basketball, though.

Adding a school for 1 sport is stupid

Why? This is all being driven by quality football and a conference championship game. Adding UCONN football is stupid.

 

[Judoka]

Better not look at the Big 12 wrestling roster

Affiliates in Wrestling and Gymnastics are a lot different than Football or Basketball. Hell, several Big XII and SEC schools are affiliates of the MAC and/or Conference USA for some of their secondary sports.

 

[KnappShack]

Wrestling is a slightly different animal than football.

I do realize that. It's one of the reasons I cringe whenever I see school names brought up in these threads.

Thankfully CF isn't driving the process or we'd have a Colorado State vs Northern Illinois game under the Big 12 banner and wonder why we had a prestige issue

 

[CascadeClone]

Theory:
This is all about putting pressure on the ACC and taking it off the Big12. There is a distinct chance to go to 4 super conferences, and SEC, B1G, and PAC12 are already set up. It's ACC vs Big12 for the last seat.

> expansion leads to perception of stability for Big12 and instability for ACC
> UCONN, while not a great fit by themselves, helps reinforce eastward expansion
> ACC is already under some rumored threats by Big10 (Duke and UNC) and SEC (almost everybody)
> add some heat to ACC by making the Big12 look like they could also poach - maybe 4 teams even
> have a Big12 network to take that objection off the list
> turn up the heat, and wait for 1-2 ACC schools to start looking for the exits - just like Mizzou did
> grab 4 out of FSU, Clemson, Pitt, Miami, L'Ville, Va or Va Tech, Ga Tech


That said, it's 50/50 if this whole thread is based on BS rumors to generate traffic. But I think the above might be what's going on. Kind of hope so, actually. Would be nice to think they are being this forward thinking.

 

[ManBearClone]

STOP THE INSANITY! :cry:

 

[CYCLNST8]

STOP THE INSANITY! :cry:

Said the half-man, half-bear, half-cyclone. :biglaugh:

 

[Hoiball92]

I'm on board with Memphis & Cincy. A little geographic sanity would be nice. I don't understand the desire to add another far flung island just for basketball, though.



Why? This is all being driven by quality football and a conference championship game. Adding UCONN football is stupid.

Yeah lets add BYU for football so we can have 11 teams, that's just brilliant.

 

[Three4Cy]

It's more likely that OU and Texas would get split up than, OU and OSU.

They won't get split up - it was stated during the last round of this OU and UT wanted to be in the same division so they could keep the Red River Showdown and not have to play each other in a conference championship game. They only want to play each other once per year.