College Basketball Ruining The NBA?

[JohnnyFive]

I agree. The current set up is hurting both the college game and the NBA. But who is at fault? Perhaps if the teams actually drafted proven guys (oh look G. Niang) vs a guy that could dribble past a chair (chairman Yi), it might help. The fact that their needs to be rules put in place to off set the stupidity of NBA front office guys in their drafting is the issue. For every Lebron James there are 50? Robert Swifts. Team's management for some reason prefer to roll the dice looking for the low odd powerball. The Spurs are probably the only team that resists this and look at there success.

This. If they want to fix the NBA and college basketball stop drafting players based solely on potential they only showed in high school against weak competition. Guys like Diallo or Labisierre will be lottery picks when they showed they couldn't impact a game in college. Why not take a chance on a more polished post like the Shepherd kid from TCU or something. This is why DeAndre Kane is in Europe, because he was 'too old' while guys like Tyler Ennis or Glenn Robinson III left school early and teams took them based on potential and have struggled big time since they got to the league. Robinson III was drafted in 2014 and has already played for three NBA teams. Robinson's career averages: 9 minutes, 3 points.

 

[HFCS]

Not sure I follow, the Spurs love to draft high upside foreign guys, especially in the second round. They've nailed a lot of these picks and it's been a huge reason for their success. Taking a "proven" four year college guy over Parker, Ginobili or Splitter would not have helped them. Cashing in a few of these lottery type picks has been every bit as important to their success as drafting Duncan.

They also have a knack for avoiding low character guys not just in drafting but in free agents and trades. It seems some other teams have the exact opposite knack. A little of it is luck but some of it is wise strategy.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I'd say it is the NBA's own fault.

The NBA screws itself by drafting inexperienced players so often. They draft based almost solely on athleticism in hopes they develop into superstars, but they don't actually develop guys.

Before the One and Done rule they would gamble on high school kids who would wash out and never be heard from again. Imagine going from a poor HS athlete to a millionaire and not having any idea how to take care of yourself.

For every LeBron, Kobe, or KG, there were hundreds of kids who flamed out and never did anything in the NBA.

I think college is important, if only to help the kid mature a little before being a professional.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Agree. NFL does it for player safety, but the NBA is doing it strictly as an evaluation process.

Kind of, but the NFL also benefits extremely from having college coaches and strength programs develop kids and weed out those who were good athletes in HS but don't end up being good enough for the NFL. Think of how many 5 star recruits never make it to the NFL.

Football requires a lot more physical development than basketball. Yes NBA players are ripped, but a lot of the rookies aren't and can still make an impact. NFL players are simply huge and that requires a lot of training and development.

If the NFL could draft HS players, I doubt they would do it very often.

 

[Cycsk]

The NBA needs to be careful how it solves this problem, lest it create an even worse problem. For instance, if they raise the age limit for someone to enter the NBA, it may not keep some players in college longer. Rather, it may cause AAU to extend itself to older players in order to become its own NBA prospect league. And I think the coaching in the AAU is an even bigger problem right now.

 

[kucyclone]

Some absurdly bad opinions in this thread. The NBA is in a great place right now. I'm not sure what you guys are watching.

 

[jim4]

Some absurdly bad opinions in this thread. The NBA is in a great place right now. I'm not sure what you guys are watching.

I like the NBA quite a bit, but I think it could be better. Parity and an overall higher % of competitive teams is needed imo but it's not an easy thing to accomplish, especially with contraction off the table. The East playoffs have been lacking so far, for instance. I also go back and forth on whether I think the number of games should be reduced. Don't know if it's realistic either way.

 

[Cydkar]

Some absurdly bad opinions in this thread. The NBA is in a great place right now. I'm not sure what you guys are watching.

While not perfect I think that most people ******** about the NBA don't actually watch it. There are probably too many teams and the season is too long but good luck doing anything about that.


In theory, there are more good basketball players across the nation so it should eventually help the NBA, over time, but beyond contraction, I don't know how you un-water down the teams.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Some absurdly bad opinions in this thread. The NBA is in a great place right now. I'm not sure what you guys are watching.

At the top it's maybe as good as ever. Some really great teams no doubt, and the players at the top are some of the most athletic we've ever seen. But then I feel like 20-22 teams are basically lottery quality. So basically the NBA is the Big 10 now in basketball. Maybe my opinion is tainted because I think too many bad teams make the playoffs in the NBA year after year since half the league gets in literally.

 

[JHUNSY]

At the top it's maybe as good as ever. Some really great teams no doubt, and the players at the top are some of the most athletic we've ever seen. But then I feel like 20-22 teams are basically lottery quality. So basically the NBA is the Big 10 now in basketball. Maybe my opinion is tainted because I think too many bad teams make the playoffs in the NBA year after year since half the league gets in literally.

What exactly is your definition of lottery quality?

 

[Cyclone1985]

If NCAA makes a 2 year rule, we will start to see kids head over to European or Chinese leagues. They'll get paid right away, play against older dudes and maybe even get a foreign endorsement. And best part, no need to ever take a college class or worry about NCAA violations.

 

[randomfan44]

I believe the Association needs to adopt the MLB model. If a player enrolls in college then they are not eligible to be drafted until their junior campaign; however, do not restrict them from signing out of high school.

That would make it even WORSE because all these 1-2 year kids would just leave after high school. Both the NBA and college basketball would suffer.

 

[randomfan44]

If NCAA makes a 2 year rule, we will start to see kids head over to European or Chinese leagues. They'll get paid right away, play against older dudes and maybe even get a foreign endorsement. And best part, no need to ever take a college class or worry about NCAA violations.

I think you vastly overestimate the impact. There are enough horror stories out there of guys playing on teams with grown adults who treat them like crap because they aren't happy about these young kids stealing roster spots from what they believe are more deserving players. And there just aren't a ton of young guys that want to go live overseas on their own and disappear off the radar. There might be a few here and there that do it but certainly not enough to be a concern.

 

[randomfan44]

And Barkley failed to mention that his HoF career was spent in THE single most watered down era of NBA history as the NBA roster spots grew 26% is it went from 23 teams when he entered the league in '84-'85 to 29 teams in his last season of '99-'00 thanks to expansion.

 

[mattyice]

Some absurdly bad opinions in this thread. The NBA is in a great place right now. I'm not sure what you guys are watching.

Always funny how it's a bad opinion when it doesn't agree with yours. All you have to do is go back to teams in the eighties and nineties that were in the final four for an NBA title. Those teams had two three and four hall of famers. Not all stars ....Hall of Fame players. These teams now have one or two All-Stars and maybe 1 HOF? I mean even Oklahoma City has two guys and then three guys that won't ever shoot the ball.

In my opinion what is driving that the NBA is so great is that we have Curry shoved down our throats every moment of every day. And I love Steph Curry but he's coming very close to carrying the league right now.

To me it comes down to Talent level and a lot of these guys that are being called stars like your DeMar DeRozan's your kyle lowrys xcetera are just not great players. Good players but people watch these guys in these teams and think they are watching some good basketball and that's just not true.

 

[JHUNSY]

Always funny how it's a bad opinion when it doesn't agree with yours. All you have to do is go back to teams in the eighties and nineties that were in the final four for an NBA title. Those teams had two three and four hall of famers. Not all stars ....Hall of Fame players. These teams now have one or two All-Stars and maybe 1 HOF? I mean even Oklahoma City has two guys and then three guys that won't ever shoot the ball.

In my opinion what is driving that the NBA is so great is that we have Curry shoved down our throats every moment of every day. And I love Steph Curry but he's coming very close to carrying the league right now.

To me it comes down to Talent level and a lot of these guys that are being called stars like your DeMar DeRozan's your kyle lowrys xcetera are just not great players. Good players but people watch these guys in these teams and think they are watching some good basketball and that's just not true.

OKC distributes the ball. Certain players have certain roles, yes, but they all contribute on offense. I'm curious who you feel doesn't ever shoot.

DeMar and Kyle are actually great players. The problem is people don't credit them because they play for Toronto instead of one of your "Power" teams. There's great basketball being played but the problem is you would have to actually watch to know that.

 

[mattyice]

OKC distributes the ball. Certain players have certain roles, yes, but they all contribute on offense. I'm curious who you feel doesn't ever shoot.

DeMar and Kyle are actually great players. The problem is people don't credit them because they play for Toronto instead of one of your "Power" teams. There's great basketball being played but the problem is you would have to actually watch to know that.

Apparently you missed where I said I've been watching since the early eighties. I'd hope watching nearing 35 to 40 Years of NBA basketball is enough. And no OKC doesnt share the ball because they have guys that cant shoot. Kanter Roberson and Adams shoot about 15 total shots per game. They don't share the ball in fact they've been getting killed because of how much they don't share the ball outside of Westbrook and Durant.

 

[randomfan44]

Always funny how it's a bad opinion when it doesn't agree with yours. All you have to do is go back to teams in the eighties and nineties that were in the final four for an NBA title. Those teams had two three and four hall of famers. Not all stars ....Hall of Fame players. These teams now have one or two All-Stars and maybe 1 HOF? I mean even Oklahoma City has two guys and then three guys that won't ever shoot the ball.In my opinion what is driving that the NBA is so great is that we have Curry shoved down our throats every moment of every day. And I love Steph Curry but he's coming very close to carrying the league right now.To me it comes down to Talent level and a lot of these guys that are being called stars like your DeMar DeRozan's your kyle lowrys xcetera are just not great players. Good players but people watch these guys in these teams and think they are watching some good basketball and that's just not true.

There are plenty of players right now that will end their careers as hall of famers. What the 80s/90s have over today is the benefit of those players having finished their careers and actually getting elected to the HoF. Mitch Richmond and Joe Dumars are in the Hall of Fame for crying out loud. DeRozan is every bit as good as them.

 

[randomfan44]

Apparently you missed where I said I've been watching since the early eighties. I'd hope watching nearing 35 to 40 Years of NBA basketball is enough. And no OKC doesnt share the ball because they have guys that cant shoot. Kanter Roberson and Adams shoot about 15 total shots per game. They don't share the ball in fact they've been getting killed because of how much they don't share the ball outside of Westbrook and Durant.

Just a reminder that the 95-96 Bulls had TWO players that averaged more than 10 shots a game. OKC has three with Ibaka putting up 11+ a game. Back in the late 80s when there was the have's and the have not's and all the good players played on the same 4 or 5 teams, you'd have teams like LA and Boston with 5 HoF players each that all averaged more than 10 fgas a game.

 

[mattyice]

There are plenty of players right now that will end their careers as hall of famers. What the 80s/90s have over today is the benefit of those players having finished their careers and actually getting elected to the HoF. Mitch Richmond and Joe Dumars are in the Hall of Fame for crying out loud. DeRozan is every bit as good as them.

Oh my dear God....derozan is as good as joe dumars. I rest my effing case. This is mind-numbing dumb.

This is probably as usual the wrong message board to have this conversation as the median age I think is about 20 on here. I'm sorry this form of NBA is not very good.