Game of Thrones Season 6

[Mr Janny]

I actually kind of enjoyed this episode, because it didn't give me what I expected:

* Beric Dondarrion is still alive, so that pretty much kills any hope of seeing a Lady Stoneheart appearance

* Arya wasn't Jaquen in disguise, nor was the Waif an alternate personality - Arya is just Arya. And for some reason fans are cynical about this bad-*** girl, who is solely driven to survive so she can punish the people that have caused her pain. Yet, we don't bat an eye that the Hound is alive for the same reasons...

*Brienne actually seemed to get through to Jamie. I don't think Season 1 Jamie would have had that talk with Edmure and instead would have fought his way into the castle. Jamie and Brienne kept their promise - the castle was taken without bloodshed. You could argue that the Blackfish dying is considered bloodshed, but the way events unfolded, he wasn't part of the Tulley army at that point.

*Lost in all of this is: where is Varys going? After that scene I looked at my wife and said "Tyrion really does well when he has a character to play off of, like Varys and Bronn. Now he's just going to sit around Mareen by himself?" Hilarious and kind of interesting that Tyrion has to create his friends by getting Misendei and Greyworm drunk. I thought it was really sad that Tyrion talks about wanting a vineyard and only his "closest friends" could drink. You could tell as he was saying that he understood that he doesn't have any friends - perhaps no one really does in this story.

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. That could easily still happen. There's far too much talk of Catelyn Stark in recent weeks for me to rule out a LSH appearance.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. That could easily still happen. There's far too much talk of Catelyn Stark in recent weeks for me to rule out a LSH appearance.

Pretty much. The show has taken liberties with everything else - why not have LSH while Dondarrion is still alive. Wouldn't be the biggest change ever.

The biggest reason why we need LSH is because Walder and the rest of the Freys need to start paying for their crimes. And while I think Dondarrion bears ill will against the Freys as he's a Stark loyalist (even though he's BWB now), he doesn't have the venom that LSH would have.

 

[State43]

If Littlefinger can get from the Aerie to the Wall in 1 episode, I think Jaime can ride down a road to KL pretty quickly. I expect him back there by the last episode and then everything is going to explode. Tommen dies in the last episode. Write it down!

A thought occurred to me while reading this. Something tells me something big happens maybe including Jamie bring all the lanisters troops into kings landing to kill the sparrow. Tommen gets killed somewhere in the process, Cersei in her rage tries to blow up or does blow up kings landing and Jamie chokes her to death becoming the Valenquar (sp).
Thoughts?

 

[State43]

Pretty much. The show has taken liberties with everything else - why not have LSH while Dondarrion is still alive. Wouldn't be the biggest change ever.

The biggest reason why we need LSH is because Walder and the rest of the Freys need to start paying for their crimes. And while I think Dondarrion bears ill will against the Freys as he's a Stark loyalist (even though he's BWB now), he doesn't have the venom that LSH would have.

I think it was just a deliberate distraction to throw the watchers off.

 

[CycloneWarning]

I don't think that's necessarily true at all. That could easily still happen. There's far too much talk of Catelyn Stark in recent weeks for me to rule out a LSH appearance.

I was listening to the Thoros and Beric conversation closely to see if there was any reference to a leader, but they are teasing this out. Jaime talking up Catelyn could be foreshadowing, or a ruse. Be a shame if Brienne did not make it back for the Winterfell fight and meets up with LSH, like the books.

No Gleganebowl is a huge bummer.

 

[srjclone]

I agree that there is always editing that can be done. Braveheart was just an example of where the fighting is cool but the best parts are not in those scenes. The scene where his wife dies is powerful, for example. It is hard to convey emotion on the internet I suppose. I am extremely disappointed with the whole Arya thing and that is clouding my opinion. There are some good parts from the last episode. I loved the Hound parts, the parts with Pod, Jaimie's conversation with Edmure was very good, the Mountain (Although I wish he had killed all of those guys), and Cersei.

I just can't get over the fact that Arya was stabbed three times in the guts, with the knife twisted, and she somehow is up and running around. Oh sure, she is bleeding a little bit but that is minor. At least give me some magic potion or something so I can make it work.

I agree with everyone's speculation about how Arya's storyline was played out. But I took the whole sequence (her getting found, getting bandaged up, and taking milk of the poppy and sleeping) as a passage of time. I think that she was under Lady Crane's watch for at least a week or 2, that was the feeling I got when I watched her doze off and lady Crane checked in on her. Then when she was awoken, she still wasn't 100% (the bleeding of the stomach showed how her patched up stomach came undone with all of the movement and stress the wounds were taking) She knew where she needed to go, and once she was close enough, she lured the Waif with her blood to follow her into the dark cellar.

I thought this episodes events made more sense than the last episode where she was out in the open in Braavos as she knew she was being hunted, but I let those things go from time to time because everything can't be perfect. All in all, the show probably did a bit of an underwhelming job of portraying Arya's storyline. But that, to me, is because they made it feel rushed compared to the book. The book goes in to a bunch of detail and it seemed like they took a hop skip and a jump through Braavos with Arya, which is too bad because I love the Arya storyline in the books. My only thought on that is because she has bigger roles to play back in Westeros and they wanted to get her back there as quick as possible, for the show, to let her be on the same soil as everyone else as **** hits the fan.

 

[srjclone]

I was listening to the Thoros and Beric conversation closely to see if there was any reference to a leader, but they are teasing this out. Jaime talking up Catelyn could be foreshadowing, or a ruse. Be a shame if Brienne did not make it back for the Winterfell fight and meets up with LSH, like the books.

No Gleganebowl is a huge bummer.

The more and more we get deeper into the season, the more and more I feel like this is what is happening. It seems as if D&D know we are looking for LSH to come out, so they are bringing her up as much as possible this season. Now, if that is for foreshadowing of her coming back, or just to play with our hearts, I have no idea. haha

 

[Orin02]

I agree with everyone's speculation about how Arya's storyline was played out. But I took the whole sequence (her getting found, getting bandaged up, and taking milk of the poppy and sleeping) as a passage of time. I think that she was under Lady Crane's watch for at least a week or 2, that was the feeling I got when I watched her doze off and lady Crane checked in on her. Then when she was awoken, she still wasn't 100% (the bleeding of the stomach showed how her patched up stomach came undone with all of the movement and stress the wounds were taking) She knew where she needed to go, and once she was close enough, she lured the Waif with her blood to follow her into the dark cellar.

I thought this episodes events made more sense than the last episode where she was out in the open in Braavos as she knew she was being hunted, but I let those things go from time to time because everything can't be perfect. All in all, the show probably did a bit of an underwhelming job of portraying Arya's storyline. But that, to me, is because they made it feel rushed compared to the book. The book goes in to a bunch of detail and it seemed like they took a hop skip and a jump through Braavos with Arya, which is too bad because I love the Arya storyline in the books. My only thought on that is because she has bigger roles to play back in Westeros and they wanted to get her back there as quick as possible, for the show, to let her be on the same soil as everyone else as **** hits the fan.

Did everyone else think this too? I didn't. I would have been ok with something like that if they had just had Lady Crane say one line of dialogue: "Days and days asleep." Maybe I am wrong about the timing. It could be you are right.

 

[srjclone]

Did everyone else think this too? I didn't. I would have been ok with something like that if they had just had Lady Crane say one line of dialogue: "Days and days asleep." Maybe I am wrong about the timing. It could be you are right.

I don't know, just the way they had like a fade out of her consciousness and how she fell asleep so quickly after drinking. I've always thought of Milk of the Poppy as an unbelievably powerful opiate, which causes people, even in immense pain, to fall asleep for prolonged periods of time. Now, I don't know exactly how long she was there, but the way Lady Crane was going back to grab more before she was killed by the waif made me think that she had used all of that first bottle, so she had fallen asleep numerous times. Then again, that is just how I read it, and made the most sense to me as to why Arya would have been able to move. Obviously it couldn't have been too long because she still reopened her wounds from all the running, and jumping, and falling.

 

[Angie]

I don't know, just the way they had like a fade out of her consciousness and how she fell asleep so quickly after drinking. I've always thought of Milk of the Poppy as an unbelievably powerful opiate, which causes people, even in immense pain, to fall asleep for prolonged periods of time. Now, I don't know exactly how long she was there, but the way Lady Crane was going back to grab more before she was killed by the waif made me think that she had used all of that first bottle, so she had fallen asleep numerous times. Then again, that is just how I read it, and made the most sense to me as to why Arya would have been able to move. Obviously it couldn't have been too long because she still reopened her wounds from all the running, and jumping, and falling.

Tyrion slept for days and days after he got hurt. I believe Sansa was on milk of the poppy in King's Landing when she slept for days. But, I don't think either tells how often it was administered. Since Lady Crane was getting down a bottle, it's fair to think she was readministering it.

 

[srjclone]

Tyrion slept for days and days after he got hurt. I believe Sansa was on milk of the poppy in King's Landing when she slept for days. But, I don't think either tells how often it was administered. Since Lady Crane was getting down a bottle, it's fair to think she was readministering it.

my thoughts exactly.

 

[Clonehomer]

The way I understood it, Riverrun is effectively hostage by the Lannisters/Frey. The only difference is that Edmure will have an improved cell and visits from his family (a Lannister always pays his debts). The Tulley's had to throw down their arms and exit the castle, so the Lannisters/Freys would need to rearm them and allow them to head North, which doesn't make sense because the Freys hold Winterfell. My guess is that the Tulley's, under the rule of Edmure, will pledge their loyalty to the Lannisters.

The Bolton's hold Winterfell. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie's deal with Edmure allowed him to take his men North. The weapons is an issue, but not so much that they can't overcome that.

 

[Orin02]

The Bolton's hold Winterfell. I wouldn't be surprised if Jamie's deal with Edmure allowed him to take his men North. The weapons is an issue, but not so much that they can't overcome that.

Yeah but as said before, Brienne wouldn't be taking a boat away if that were the case.

 

[mapnerd]

Yeah but as said before, Brienne wouldn't be taking a boat away if that were the case.

I don't know, I still think there is the possibility. I don't think Brienne, Pod, and the blackfish were going to stick around to chat about the deal with Edmure. They were just escaping because they expected the worst. Just my thoughts.

 

[CloneIce]

I loved this one... primarily because of the way it subverted my expectations on plot lines that I have been speculating on for 5 years now! I do agree with the criticism on Arya though... they should have had her would be a minor slash across the stomach, not the full knife twisting. Thoughts on individual storylines:

RiverRun - Great scene between Jamie and Edmure. Man that was well acted. GOT has great actors like Tobias Menze in small roles like Edmure, and he really killed it this episode. Jamie and Brienne scenes were just great too. I predict these two meet up again soon.... I saw a poster complaining that Brienne's trip to Riverrun was worthless... I think it is all about taking her and Jamie's characters full circle and reuniting them.

Hound/BWB - Anytime the Hound is on screen, I'm smiling. Loved watching him kill those SOBs, and his reunion with Beric and Thoros was well done. Personally, I loved seeing Beric still alive, as that confirmed they won't make the mistake of bringing LSH into the TV Show (big mistake in the novels in my opinion).

Meereen - I enjoyed the Tyrion drinking game scene, funny as hell. Dany showing up like that was a huge surprise - I had always thought she would show up in some triumphant scene leading Dothraki to save the day. I am guessing this will be a huge focus for Episode 10.

King's Landing - The High Sparrow saw through Cersei's plan a mile away, and turned her trial by combat strategy on its head. Again, this subverted by long held expectations, and I liked that. What next? I have a feeling Wildfire will play a role, and that is what Qyburn was referencing. Something big is about to go down, Cersei is not going quietly.

Arya - This would have all been great if they would have just had her slashed across the stomach. But getting past that, the action with her and the Waif was awesome. And I loved her last line "I'm Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I'm going home!"

Next week - The Battle of the Bastards. Enough said. Can't wait!

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't know, I still think there is the possibility. I don't think Brienne, Pod, and the blackfish were going to stick around to chat about the deal with Edmure. They were just escaping because they expected the worst. Just my thoughts.

That's not how Brienne operates, though. She had made the deal with Jamie. If that deal were still being honored, she wouldn't have left via the back door. She left the way she did, because she the Riverrun soldiers were being taken into captivity, and she would have been too, as she told Jamie that she was honor bound to side with House Tully if the Blackfish didn't agree to give up the castle.

 

[CloneIce]

Yeah but as said before, Brienne wouldn't be taking a boat away if that were the case.

Agree, Jamie made them lay down their arms. Don't think he and the Freys (especially) will let them take up arms and march north against the Boltons in support of the Starks. Unless Walder Frey knows that his daughter was murdered by Ramsay, which seems unlikely at this point.

 

[srjclone]

I loved this one... primarily because of the way it subverted my expectations on plot lines that I have been speculating on for 5 years now! I do agree with the criticism on Arya though... they should have had her would be a minor slash across the stomach, not the full knife twisting. Thoughts on individual storylines:

RiverRun - Great scene between Jamie and Edmure. Man that was well acted. GOT has great actors like Tobias Menze in small roles like Edmure, and he really killed it this episode. Jamie and Brienne scenes were just great too. I predict these two meet up again soon.... I saw a poster complaining that Brienne's trip to Riverrun was worthless... I think it is all about taking her and Jamie's characters full circle and reuniting them.

Hound/BWB - Anytime the Hound is on screen, I'm smiling. Loved watching him kill those SOBs, and his reunion with Beric and Thoros was well done. Personally, I loved seeing Beric still alive, as that confirmed they won't make the mistake of bringing LSH into the TV Show (big mistake in the novels in my opinion).

Meereen - I enjoyed the Tyrion drinking game scene, funny as hell. Dany showing up like that was a huge surprise - I had always thought she would show up in some triumphant scene leading Dothraki to save the day. I am guessing this will be a huge focus for Episode 10.

King's Landing - The High Sparrow saw through Cersei's plan a mile away, and turned her trial by combat strategy on its head. Again, this subverted by long held expectations, and I liked that. What next? I have a feeling Wildfire will play a role, and that is what Qyburn was referencing. Something big is about to go down, Cersei is not going quietly.

Arya - This would have all been great if they would have just had her slashed across the stomach. But getting past that, the action with her and the Waif was awesome. And I loved her last line "I'm Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I'm going home!"

Next week - The Battle of the Bastards. Enough said. Can't wait!

Agree with all you said here for sure. I enjoyed this episode a lot. Although I do find D&D's writing to be somewhat predictable. Whenever they try and make someone seem heroic or something serious, I can see the line coming from a mile away, which makes it kinda cheesy at some points for me. But I still love it all the same. I can't wait for the final 2 episodes.

My bold part was to let you know, as much as you may hate it, that storyline is going to have a big part to play in the coming books. So, sorry in advance.

 

[CloniesForLife]

The only disappointing thing about that episode was that the Mountain didn't get to fight all the faith militant.

 

[Orin02]

The only disappointing thing about that episode was that the Mountain didn't get to fight all the faith militant.

I know, right?! I wanted him to wipe all of those guys out, especially Lancel. Smug SOB.