Game of Thrones Season 6
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As a man of opportunity, having a grandkid with a chance to be lord of winterfell only to have him killed by your so called ally wouldn't be a trustworthy relationship.
A buddy and I were chatting about what would be the best cliffhanger for season six. We decided the best would be have Bran finally finish ToJ then come out of his vision and look right at Jon in awe like "You're the rightful King." Scene. Hype about Jon on throne for an entire year. Viewers galore. Win for HBO.
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Not in the way you were talking about it. Tywin turned a blind eye to her incest, yes, but he still tried to stop it. You can argue that he didn't call attention to it more for Jaime than he did Cersei. But Cersei had no influence over Tywin beyond that, certainly not influence that allowed her to "do what she wants." Tywin was booting her off the small council and arranging to marry her off to other houses. She had a lot of animosity toward her father because she couldn't manipulate him like she could the other people you listed.
He also actively tried to find ways to get Jamie back to Casterly Rock to be the seat and heir to their historic house. Tywin was one of the smartest political/family-based minds in Westeros. And no matter how smart Cersei and Jamie may think they are, Tywin was always a step ahead or thinking in greater terms than just about himself.
Tywin's greatest mistake was never giving Tyrion the respect he deserved. I get it, he's a drunken, womanizing, whoremongerer, and I understand why you wouldn't want someone like that as the heir to Casterly Rock. But first, Tywin always treated Tyrion like he was always some subhuman beast not worthy of the Lannister name. I also get the fact there's the issue that Tywin could never prove whether Tyrion was his son or the product of Aerys' rape. Second, if Tyrion looked like Jaime, would it have mattered that he's a drunken, womanizing whoremongerer? He was ready to make Jaime the heir to Casterly Rock and he knew about the incestuous relationship.
Tywin was incredibly smart, but I think Tyrion is even smarter than him. Tyrion always deferred to Tywin hoping to gain some amount of respect he was never going to receive. And, unfortunately, Tywin's treatment of Tyrion may be the death of the entire Lannister family. It certainly was the death of Tywin.
Only reason that he could not look past him being a dwarf and seeing him for how smart he really was is because ...
He's really the mad kings son
Final two episode synposes revealed:
HBO playing it close to the vest! Sounds like Ep. 9 will be totally in the North and Ep. 10 will at least resolve Cersei's trial...if it happens.
HBO playing it close to the vest! Sounds like Ep. 9 will be totally in the North and Ep. 10 will at least resolve Cersei's trial...if it happens.
Game of Thrones just sent out their nominations for the Emmys this year, and they gave 6 nominations for 0609 "Battle of the Bastards" compared to the next highest was "The Door" with 3 or 4. So I have a feeling this episode is going to be Epic. I just don't know what I will do if the NBA Finals makes it to Game 7!
He did give Tyrion SOME credit when he sent him to act as Hand to Joffrey. He knew Tyrion was smart and could provide some wisdom in ruling the kingdom in his absence.
It wasn't enough to want him to be his heir, but he knew Tyrion was no idiot.
I agree that Tywin was one of the shrewdest men in Westeros. Cersei is doomed without help. She's done nothing but screw things up since Tywin died.
Agree to disagree. I think that Faith Militant thing is going pretty well for her.
And for people who think Arya's journey to Braavos is pointless...
When she left for Braavos her plan was to become a master assassin and then come home and finish of her list. At least that's how I took it. During her training I think she wanted very badly to become "no one". I think Jaquen Hagar knew from the onset that she would never do this though, but he allowed her to keep trying.
He tested her over and over, knowing she'd likely fail. He may have known she would see Meryn Trant while on her mission. But he punished her anyways to give her a chance to earn her way back. I believe he very deliberately tested her with the killing of the actress and the play about the worst days of her life. It reminded her who she really is.
She was never going to be no one. Fans hoping she would didn't think about what it really entailed. She'd have to give up her past and her revenge and be a servant of the Many Faced God.
She finally realized that she's Arya Stark and she has unfinished business. She did get some valuable training and maybe she's learned her lesson about watching her own back and not staying in plain sight.
She's finally back on the path she should be on, but with more skills and knowledge.
When she left for Braavos her plan was to become a master assassin and then come home and finish of her list. At least that's how I took it. During her training I think she wanted very badly to become "no one". I think Jaquen Hagar knew from the onset that she would never do this though, but he allowed her to keep trying.
He tested her over and over, knowing she'd likely fail. He may have known she would see Meryn Trant while on her mission. But he punished her anyways to give her a chance to earn her way back. I believe he very deliberately tested her with the killing of the actress and the play about the worst days of her life. It reminded her who she really is.
She was never going to be no one. Fans hoping she would didn't think about what it really entailed. She'd have to give up her past and her revenge and be a servant of the Many Faced God.
She finally realized that she's Arya Stark and she has unfinished business. She did get some valuable training and maybe she's learned her lesson about watching her own back and not staying in plain sight.
She's finally back on the path she should be on, but with more skills and knowledge.
Agree to disagree. I think that Faith Militant thing is going pretty well for her.
Yeah. Let's give tons of power to religious fanatics. I don't have anything in my past that I would have to worry about.
I mostly agree with you, but I find the two bolded sentences incongruent.
I agree with the first. I think she found Jaqen because she wanted to be a bad-*** assassin and finish off her list. I agree with that completely. However, I don't think she ever varied from that desire. Either she never intended to become "no one" for any longer than it took her to complete the training, or perhaps she didn't understand that it meant giving up her revenge plans/fantasies. I don't think she would have ever taken the mental and physical beatings required to become "no one" unless she still had a very firm goal in mind. I don't think converting to a religion that has nothing to do with her family is enough of a goal for her. Arya doesn't think on that kind of scale. Bran? Sure, probably. Robb might have, as the diplomat? But not Arya, not Sansa. Probably not Jon. That isn't disparaging Arya, Sansa, or Jon for their loyalty to their upbringing, it's just saying that they likely don't see things on a grander scale in terms of religion due to it.
Plus, don't discount the play. Arya may have "wanted" to become one of the Faceless, but she was clearly conflicted and troubled at watching the portrayal of Ned and her family. I think that helped push her back to recognizing her true self.
Jaq'en gave Arya the coin, and that admitted her to the Temple of the Many-Faced God. He gave it to her in case she was ever out of options, and she was desperate. The Hound is dead, and the realm is hunting her. She had to leave and had no where else to go. So I am not sure much was on her mind except that maybe she would find Jaq'en there and get more help.
Her life was very similar to a faceless man prior to that anyway. Wearing different names, and identities to survive. She used it unskillfully, but did use Jaq'en to escape Harrenhal. So really, not much of a differentiation, except they gave her confidence, some training, and safety.
I don't think Arya ever really considered being a faceless man. At her arc in the Show she has what she needs to survive. She is no longer a lordling that only knows how to only order people around, but can survive in the streets, woods or as a kitchen worker or in some other capacity. I see her going straight for Walder Frey......next season. I think she gets on a shhip last episode this year.
Her life was very similar to a faceless man prior to that anyway. Wearing different names, and identities to survive. She used it unskillfully, but did use Jaq'en to escape Harrenhal. So really, not much of a differentiation, except they gave her confidence, some training, and safety.
I don't think Arya ever really considered being a faceless man. At her arc in the Show she has what she needs to survive. She is no longer a lordling that only knows how to only order people around, but can survive in the streets, woods or as a kitchen worker or in some other capacity. I see her going straight for Walder Frey......next season. I think she gets on a shhip last episode this year.
