***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[HARMCYN]

A traditional cable network will not be near as profitable in the near future, streaming and subscription models are the future-big names for casual viewers, competitiveness and most of all a dedicated fanbase that will purchase content will much more important than the previous model that the B1Government used for expansion. I don't find the addition of Maryland to be short sighted, but Rutgers could definitely pan out that way.

 

[isu83]

Don't be naive. If we kicked Texas out, a B12 network wouldn't offset half of the loss from our tier 1 & 2 contracts (post-Texas).

I agree I might be naive. But one minute this and the next minute that. And the Big 12 is the worthless one. Everyone that talks thinks the Big 12 is going down so what then. Maybe it is true.

 

[boone7247]

The subscription model of the Big 10 network is the reason why they're valued assets--they added new states and media markets. The populations, regardless whether they watch or not, are stuck paying for that content, so Big 10 wins.

This is why ISU won't get into the Big 10, regardless of their AAU status, perfect geographical fit, perfect cultural fit, etc, since Iowa already has the Big 10 network and ISU won't add anything there.

A traditional cable network will not be near as profitable in the near future, streaming and subscription models are the future-big names for casual viewers, competitiveness and most of all a dedicated fanbase that will purchase content will much more important than the previous model that the B1Government used for expansion. I don't find the addition of Maryland to be short sighted, but Rutgers could definitely pan out that way.

I agree with HARMCYN on this one. In 6 more years, more population might not matter, what will matter is actual eyeballs on the content. and certainly in 10 and 15 more years that will be the case.

 

[CRCy]

A traditional cable network will not be near as profitable in the near future, streaming and subscription models are the future-big names for casual viewers, competitiveness and most of all a dedicated fanbase that will purchase content will much more important than the previous model that the B1Government used for expansion. I don't find the addition of Maryland to be short sighted, but Rutgers could definitely pan out that way.

I don't disagree but even when that happens ISU is still WAY down the list of attractive adds based on potential eyeballs alone.

 

[Bryce7]

The subscription model of the Big 10 network is the reason why they're valued assets--they added new states and media markets. The populations, regardless whether they watch or not, are stuck paying for that content, so Big 10 wins.

This is why ISU won't get into the Big 10, regardless of their AAU status, perfect geographical fit, perfect cultural fit, etc, since Iowa already has the Big 10 network and ISU won't add anything there.

The BTN is even carried in Palo Alto. It has national exposure.

 

[Bryce7]

I agree I might be naive. But one minute this and the next minute that. And the Big 12 is the worthless one. Everyone that talks thinks the Big 12 is going down so what then. Maybe it is true.

If OU and UT are not pushing their conference for GOR extension, they are looking. Need to talk to other conferences.

 

[isu83]

If OU and UT are not pushing their conference for GOR extension, they are looking. Need to talk to other conferences.

I don't really think anyone knows Oklahoma and Texas are looking. Maybe they are now because no one can agree who to add for expansion. Wouldn't blame them entirely. But the Big 12 is good for both Texas and Oklahoma.

 

[boone7247]

I don't really think anyone knows Oklahoma and Texas are looking. Maybe they are now because no one can agree who to add for expansion. Wouldn't blame them entirely. But the Big 12 is good for both Texas and Oklahoma.

Or was it all a show, because OU and/or UT knew no one would come to consensus if they didn't, and then they won't get blamed when it all falls in.

 

[isucy86]

I don't think Texas or OU's unwillingness to not extend their GORs beyond the existing Big12 TV contract is unreasonable. Why pledge their TV rights revenue to the Big12 beyond 2025 when the Big 12's next TV contract is a BIG unknown.

Maybe in 2024 the TV rights marketplace is similar to today, with FOX and/or ESPN willing to bid on Big 12 TV rights at payments similar to today. Maybe the networks bid a lower payment, maybe they don't bid at all.

At this point we know ESPN is financially bound to the ACC and SEC Networks into the 2030's. Although there is some question about how solid the ACC agreement is if ESPN doesn't launch a linear network in 2019. Similarly, FOX owns BTN and bid more than ESPN for the Big10 contract through 2024.

In the end, until TV partners put a value on Big12 TV rights after 2024/25, a GOR extension seems putting the cart ahead of the horse.

 

[kingcy]

The subscription model of the Big 10 network is the reason why they're valued assets--they added new states and media markets. The populations, regardless whether they watch or not, are stuck paying for that content, so Big 10 wins.

This is why ISU won't get into the Big 10, regardless of their AAU status, perfect geographical fit, perfect cultural fit, etc, since Iowa already has the Big 10 network and ISU won't add anything there.

Correct and the next big thing is paid streaming, something ISU is already doing and can show data on.

If the Big 12 disbands, the Big 10 is going to pick up teams. There are not many schools in the Big 12 that will stand up to the Big 10 academic standards.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Correct and the next big thing is paid streaming, something ISU is already doing and can show data on.

If the Big 12 disbands, the Big 10 is going to pick up teams. There are not many schools in the Big 12 that will stand up to the Big 10 academic standards.

If I'm the B1G, I save the last two spots for Notre Dame & Pitt. If schools are forced to join a conference to qualify for a shot at a four team playoff...

 

[Judoka]

If I'm the B1G, I save the last two spots for Notre Dame & Pitt. If schools are forced to join a conference to qualify for a shot at a four team playoff...

Why Pitt? They already have Pennsylvania via Penn State so Pitt doesn't offer anything special, they would be out of consideration for the same reason that ISU is.

Also Notre Dame is joining the ACC if they join a conference.

 

[TBT]

If I'm the B1G, I save the last two spots for Notre Dame & Pitt. If schools are forced to join a conference to qualify for a shot at a four team playoff...

Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC should it decide to join a conference until 2030-something. Big 10 may take other teams, but they will not take Pitt and ND.

 

[laminak]

Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC should it decide to join a conference until 2030-something. Big 10 may take other teams, but they will not take Pitt and ND.

I thought the B1G's goal was to poach Virginia and North Carolina after if they can raid the ACC (and not get ND).

 

[CYCLNST8]

Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC should it decide to join a conference until 2030-something. Big 10 may take other teams, but they will not take Pitt and ND.

Like Notre Dame couldn't get out of it? & Pitt is one of their traditional rivals. A division of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, & Rutgers may be a conference situation the Irish say "yes" to. Especially if cross-divisional games become purely optional and don't count towards your division record.

The ACC contract may need to be renegotiated when Texas joins as an affiliate/independent member anyways.

People expecting a B1G invite are living in fantasy land. Our academic standing won't count for ****.

 

[HoopsTournament]

If I'm the B1G, I save the last two spots for Notre Dame & Pitt. If schools are forced to join a conference to qualify for a shot at a four team playoff...

 

[Judoka]

Like Notre Dame couldn't get out of it? & Pitt is one of their traditional rivals. A division of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, & Rutgers may be a conference situation the Irish say "yes" to. Especially if cross-divisional games become purely optional and don't count towards your division record.

The ACC contract may need to be renegotiated when Texas joins as an affiliate/independent member anyways.

People expecting a B1G invite are living in fantasy land. Our academic standing won't count for ****.

People who think we're getting in to the Big Ten short of a total change to the landscape or government intervention are living in fantasyland. But no more so than someone who thinks the scenario you're discussing is remotely realistic.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Like Notre Dame couldn't get out of it? & Pitt is one of their traditional rivals. A division of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Maryland, & Rutgers may be a conference situation the Irish say "yes" to. Especially if cross-divisional games become purely optional and don't count towards your division record.

The ACC contract may need to be renegotiated when Texas joins as an affiliate/independent member anyways.

People expecting a B1G invite are living in fantasy land. Our academic standing won't count for ****.

Notre Dame is not joining any conference in Football. Not the Big Ten, not the ACC. There is no reason for them to ever do so. The reason went out the door when the CFP said that you don't have to win a conference to be eligible. They are not going to change that. Plus, the CFP will expand to 8 teams within the next 10 years. At that point, there will be a 0.00001% chance that Notre Dame will join a conference.

Pitt is bound by the GOR. Big Ten is not going to invite any school bound by a GOR because it weakens their own GOR. The only conference that will try to invite any schools bound by a GOR would be the SEC because they don't have one. Why would anyone who has a GOR try to weaken their own GOR? That is stupid.

I know it is fun to make up realignment scenarios, but they have to be based in reality, not fiction. This is more fiction that Iowa State ever going to the Big Ten and I think Iowa State going to the Big Ten has about a 1% chance.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Notre Dame is not joining any conference in Football. Not the Big Ten, not the ACC. There is no reason for them to ever do so. The reason went out the door when the CFP said that you don't have to win a conference to be eligible. They are not going to change that. Plus, the CFP will expand to 8 teams within the next 10 years. At that point, there will be a 0.00001% chance that Notre Dame will join a conference.

Pitt is bound by the GOR. Big Ten is not going to invite any school bound by a GOR because it weakens their own GOR. The only conference that will try to invite any schools bound by a GOR would be the SEC because they don't have one. Why would anyone who has a GOR try to weaken their own GOR? That is stupid.

I know it is fun to make up realignment scenarios, but they have to be based in reality, not fiction. This is more fiction that Iowa State ever going to the Big Ten and I think Iowa State going to the Big Ten has about a 1% chance.

I'm not saying it would happen in the next ten years; what I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if the B1G would rather save those last two spots until Notre Dame was ready. What if the playoff doesn't expand? What if the super conferences divorce the NCAA?

 

[HoopsTournament]

I'm not saying it would happen in the next ten years; what I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if the B1G would rather save those last two spots until Notre Dame was ready. What if the playoff doesn't expand? What if the super conferences divorce the NCAA?

Notre Dame will wait until the playoff does expand. They have no reason to join the Big Ten. And it is not the NCAA that has set the rules for the CFP. It has been the P5 conference mainly. So they will still make sure Notre Dame has an opportunity to make the playoff as an independent just like they always have in the Bowl Alliance, BCS and current CFP. Notre Dame has never been forced to join a conference and nothing (other than wishes of fans and sports writers) has changed that would cause them to do so.