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Meh, as long as they are unloaded it doesn't matter much, it's just another piece of luggage.

Gotta chime in again as apparently the only professional auditor on this board. It's not that it's not a big deal to you and I, it's that it MIGHT be a big deal with the insurance carrier, with Iowa law, with the established policies and procedures in place at the time. Oh, and the "cover-up" ALWAYS sells well to those looking to expose potential abuses of power.

Take the emotion out of it and Leath is in a bit of a pickle of his own making.
 
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Fits right in with Branstead and Rasetter.

My guess is he did training or something to/from Cedar Falls. That should maybe have been an hour and a half total. The rest speaks for itself.
 

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Flight time seems to be about 60 minutes round trip (Piper Cherokee is about 140 mph and round trip is about 140 miles). Add 60 minutes at both airports for pre-check and taxiing, now up to 120 minutes. Add in 60 minutes drive to and back both airports, we are now up to a total of 180 minutes compared to 192 minutes driving, so save 12 minutes or about $50 of the Presidents labor (at about $4.16/minute - just think of the lost productivity having the President answer these questions). Cost of car at $.54/mile is about $103. Cost avoidance is about $153. Now how much was the plane rental? $540. Looks like ISU lost about $390 for one trip. Not a CPA so could be I am missing something.
 
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Establishment of policies and procedures is front and center. Nothing is wrong if there are no documented P&Ps but everything looks wrong to outside eyes.

And Leath claims he did nothing wrong but won't do it again. In the end, it's the loosey-goosey environment that has the appearance of impropriety.
 

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Establishment of policies and procedures is front and center. Nothing is wrong if there are no documented P&Ps but everything looks wrong to outside eyes.

And Leath claims he did nothing wrong but won't do it again. In the end, it's the loosey-goosey environment that has the appearance of impropriety.

The whole thing reeked of one of those "I'm sorry if you were offended" types of non-apology apologies. Listen, by no means do I think this plane thing alone is a fireable offense (though by no means do I believe it's the only rules he has bent/broken, either) but at the very least he shouldn't come out of this getting praise by the Board of Regents. He completely and thoroughly botched the response to this, as evidenced by the stories that continued to surface for months, even up through last week.

I guess the moral of the story is, when your boss is your real estate agent is the most powerful politician in the state, things are probably going to be okay.
 
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The whole thing reeked of one of those "I'm sorry if you were offended" types of non-apology apologies. Listen, by no means do I think this plane thing alone is a fireable offense (though by no means do I believe it's the only rules he has bent/broken, either) but at the very least he shouldn't come out of this getting praise by the Board of Regents. He completely and thoroughly botched the response to this, as evidenced by the stories that continued to surface for months, even up through last week.

I guess the moral of the story is, when your boss is your real estate agent is the most powerful politician in the state, things are probably going to be okay.
That apology was hilarious. Saying that he didn't break any rules but can see how it might appear to be improper. Keep in mind the internal audit didn't claim to dig in to whether or not all flights themselves were lawful.
It's pretty sad that such as the NCAA flight he can commit fraud by acting as though all costs for the trip were business related, along the way violating state law by using state property for personal use, and only after getting caught reimburse ISU and provide a non-apology. The lesson here is that it's OK to break LAWS (not just ISU policy) and if you get caught just pay for what you used and all is well.
I don't think this is over, an internal audit where you say we will clarify policy isn't probably going to do the trick.
I have not interacted with Leath, but since all of this has started I have heard several involved with SEZ and knoll projects that have had only terrible things say about Leath and more specifically Mrs Leath, who has been given decision-making power on these projects. When seeing the comments in the city view article about why the ISU Foundation Presidents were fired, it sure seems like they think they are royalty.
 
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It's pretty sad that such as the NCAA flight he can commit fraud by acting as though all costs for the trip were business related, along the way violating state law by using state property for personal use, and only after getting caught reimburse ISU and provide a non-apology.

Huh? Are you referring to the flights to the NCAA Tournament games? If so, how are they not business related?
 

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Picking up and dropping off family along the way is not business related.

Along the way I have no problem with that.

Now if he made a turn and picked up family in Florida on his way to NY, yeah that's a issue but that's not what he did.
 

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The "refueling stop" on the way there when the brother & SO boarded was within reason. The "refueling stop" on the way back where they were dropped off really wasn't.
 

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The "refueling stop" on the way there when the brother & SO boarded was within reason. The "refueling stop" on the way back where they were dropped off really wasn't.

I get their argument but IMO it doesn't become within reason one way and not the other.
 

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Along the way I have no problem with that.

Now if he made a turn and picked up family in Florida on his way to NY, yeah that's a issue but that's not what he did.
It doesn't really matter whether or not we have a problem with it, using state property for personal use is against the law, and only after it was brought to light did he non-apologize and pay. Most of these things on their own are not a big deal on an individual case basis, but combined along with the appointments of VPs without searches, and shelling out $1 M to can two ISU Foundation presidents, including one that by all accounts appears to have been effective and well respected with no provided cause looks bad.
 

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It doesn't really matter whether or not we have a problem with it, using state property for personal use is against the law, and only after it was brought to light did he non-apologize and pay. Most of these things on their own are not a big deal on an individual case basis, but combined along with the appointments of VPs without searches, and shelling out $1 M to can two ISU Foundation presidents, including one that by all accounts appears to have been effective and well respected with no provided cause looks bad.

But that's my point, does allowing a family member to ride with you to a business event turn it into a personal trip?

To me whether or not family accompanied him to an NCAA basketball game doesn't turn it into a personal trip. He was going there because the basketball team of the school he presides over was playing so he can take whomever he want's with him and it's still a business trip.

I really don't want to debate this. Trust me I am not a Leath fan but I think think is much a do about nothing.
 

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It doesn't really matter whether or not we have a problem with it, using state property for personal use is against the law, and only after it was brought to light did he non-apologize and pay. Most of these things on their own are not a big deal on an individual case basis, but combined along with the appointments of VPs without searches, and shelling out $1 M to can two ISU Foundation presidents, including one that by all accounts appears to have been effective and well respected with no provided cause looks bad.

And frankly the firing of the second Foundation president, along with the stories of the Foundation buying two planes and "gifting" them to the university, suggests that perhaps that fired president raised these types of ethical concerns with Leath and was let go for it. Perhaps now he finally has the president that will do whatever he wants without resistance.
 

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December 13, 2016





Dear Iowa State Community:



For nearly three months, there has been significant media coverage about ISU Flight Service and specifically my use of university aircraft. I understand why there have been many questions and concerns. I take very seriously my role and responsibility to adhere to university and Board of Regents policy and to be open and transparent. That is why I welcomed the Board’s decision to conduct a comprehensive internal audit, and I offered my full cooperation.



The Board of Regents Internal Audit report concluded there were no violations of university or Board policy, but there are clearly things I could have done differently and I am sorry for that. I take full responsibility for the issues raised. To avoid any perception of impropriety, I have paid for the following: the use of the Cirrus for training to obtain my instrument flight rating, which was required by the university insurance policy; the amount attributed to my brother and his partner on the flight to and from Elmira, NY; and two trips to Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN for medical procedures, which required use of the plane so I could make it back to Ames in time for university obligations.



We recognize there are policies and practices that need improvement, and the audit has provided valuable recommendations. Our plan to move forward includes:

· I will no longer fly the Cirrus or any state-owned aircraft. Because of this decision and the fact that our head pilot is retiring soon, we plan to sell the Cirrus.

· We are implementing new guidelines for all users of university aircraft and requiring the purpose of all trips be clearly documented.

· The ISU Flight Service’s operations manual is being overhauled to contain specific instructions for accurate, detailed record-keeping and billing.

· Flight Service rates are being examined as part of our budget planning process.

· And we are conducting a comprehensive review of ISU Flight Service to determine the cost-benefit of retaining this unit.



One of things I enjoy most about my job is meeting people and developing relationships to benefit Iowa State. For the past five years, we have been in the quiet phase of our largest-ever capital fundraising campaign, Forever True, For Iowa State, with a goal of $1.1 billion. As a result, I have been traveling a lot. I saw the university planes as useful, convenient tools that allowed me to meet with donors and cultivate new support across the state and the country in an efficient manner.



I recognize now that I used the university planes more frequently than was absolutely necessary, and I should have been more transparent about my use. I will change this practice, and I will do better to ensure that any time the university planes are used it is in the very best interest of Iowa State.



I truly love my job and I am honored to be president of this great university. Iowa State has the potential for unprecedented impact in the years to come. I am fully committed to moving our university forward, to focusing on the objectives of our strategic plan and successfully pursuing our historic fundraising campaign.



I appreciate your support. And I look forward to working with you.



Sincerely,



Steven Leath

President