****Official Class of 2017 Recruiting Thread****

[acgclone]

I look at recruiting big men in basketball similar to recruiting DLmen in football. There's only so many studs and they are going to the traditional powerhouses, we will have to find one and develop them.

I disagree with that analogy.

We've been a consistent top 25 caliber program for the better part of the last 5 years. 5 (hopefully 6) straight Tourney appearances. We play at one of the most highly regarded venues in the country. There's no sugar coating that our big man recruiting has under-performed our overall program. Our hoops program in football terms would probably compare to FB programs like Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State, Pitt, etc. Those schools can and do recruit some good DL. We can and should be able to recruit some decent bigs here.

Virtually every Power 5 school, and many mid-major programs have better big men than we do.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I disagree with that analogy.

We've been a consistent top 25 caliber program for the better part of the last 5 years. 5 (hopefully 6) straight Tourney appearances. We play at one of the most highly regarded venues in the country. There's no sugar coating that our big man recruiting has under-performed our overall program. Our hoops program in football terms would probably compare to FB programs like Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State, Pitt, etc. Those schools can and do recruit some good DL. We can and should be able to recruit some decent bigs here.

Virtually every Power 5 school, and many mid-major programs have better big men than we do.

*Traditional big men

 

[acgclone]

*Traditional big men

Yep.

We've just gotten our *sses handed to us by a couple of traditional big men.

In fact, every team that we've lost to has at least 1-2 traditional big men.

If we had traditional big man that could defend, we are maybe 13-3 instead of 11-6, which is probably enough to be ranked, and certainly would beef up our tournament resume.

 

[isufbcurt]

I disagree with that analogy.

We've been a consistent top 25 caliber program for the better part of the last 5 years. 5 (hopefully 6) straight Tourney appearances. We play at one of the most highly regarded venues in the country. There's no sugar coating that our big man recruiting has under-performed our overall program. Our hoops program in football terms would probably compare to FB programs like Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State, Pitt, etc. Those schools can and do recruit some good DL. We can and should be able to recruit some decent bigs here.

Virtually every Power 5 school, and many mid-major programs have better big men than we do.

I don't consider Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State and Pitt to be football powers. They are good football programs and that is it.

 

[isufbcurt]

Yep.

We've just gotten our *sses handed to us by a couple of traditional big men.

In fact, every team that we've lost to has at least 1-2 traditional big men.

If we had traditional big man that could defend, we are maybe 13-3 instead of 11-6, which is probably enough to be ranked, and certainly would beef up our tournament resume.

I don't consider Baylor's big men to be traditional and I wouldn't consider Landon Lucas handing us our ass.

 

[Rabbuk]

I don't consider Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State and Pitt to be football powers. They are good football programs and that is it.

Iowa is in elite company as far as making it to New years day bowls. Which everyone knows is important.

 

[jcyclonee]

Iowa is in elite company as far as making it to New years day bowls. Which everyone knows is important.

A fine example of Jim Delaney using bully tactics, nepotism and misleading statistics to make college football worse for the rest of us.

 

[acgclone]

I don't consider Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State and Pitt to be football powers. They are good football programs and that is it.

It doesn't matter how isufbcurt labels them. My point is those programs aren't blue bloods and yet they still find good DL.

That's why I disagreed with your analogy. You can't compare our MBB and FB programs in terms of how difficult it is to find DL or big men. Over the years, ISU has had plenty of big men and probably have produced more F/C types in the NBA than guards.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I disagree with that analogy.

We've been a consistent top 25 caliber program for the better part of the last 5 years. 5 (hopefully 6) straight Tourney appearances. We play at one of the most highly regarded venues in the country. There's no sugar coating that our big man recruiting has under-performed our overall program. Our hoops program in football terms would probably compare to FB programs like Iowa, Arkansas, Arizona State, Pitt, etc. Those schools can and do recruit some good DL. We can and should be able to recruit some decent bigs here.

Virtually every Power 5 school, and many mid-major programs have better big men than we do.

But look at how we've played in that time. We've been too 10 in tempo if you're a plodder this wasn't the place for you. That may change with Prohm idk but the people that want Isaac Haas to come in and play in this system are going to be disappointed. Just go look at Texas a&m right now and that's what Prohm wants this team to look like size wise and mobility wise. Lots of interchangeable 6'7-6'9 guys that are athletic. Outside of the top top guys Stokes and Feazell fit this mold and that's why we were after them hard. That's why we brought in kasongo, that's why we stuck with Lard when we probably should have let it go, that's why we brought in Young. Things are going to look really different just with those 3 getting roles or bigger roles in Young's case. There's no point to crying about it when it's already been addressed and will most likely continue to be addressed in the JuCO signing window.

I don't really care that people want to gnash their teeth that we don't have the players that we want but don't pretend like the coaching staff doesn't know it or isn't trying to do something about it. In the end there are going to be 67 teams that were "missing" some past player or some piece to the puzzle.

 

[acgclone]

I don't consider Baylor's big men to be traditional and I wouldn't consider Landon Lucas handing us our ass.

Maybe you've blocked out the TCU game where Brodziansky had 25 & 14, with 3 blocks. I couldn't blame you if you've erased that from memory.

Lucas and Brag combined for 24 & 12.

Bowie and Young combined for 2 & 0

We've been out rebounded 77 to 51 in the last two games.

 

[isufbcurt]

Maybe you've blocked out the TCU game where Brodziansky had 25 & 14, with 3 blocks. I couldn't blame you if you've erased that from memory.

Lucas and Brag combined for 24 & 12.

Bowie and Young combined for 2 & 0

We've been out rebounded 77 to 51 in the last two games.

I agree on the TCU game. But I don't feel Lucas was the issue in the KU game. In fact I wish we wouldn't have wasted double teams on him, he isn't going to beat you, but by doubling him it opened up other guys.

I was more worried about Texas's bigs than I was with Lucas.

 

[acgclone]

I'm not advocating turning us into Purdue, with 3 7-footers. I'm just saying that with 13 scholarships, you need to keep at least one big on your roster that can at least stop the bleeding when a team is scoring at will on you in the paint.

I know it's way easier said than done, but Fred and Prohm have failed in the last 3 classes in landing someone with legit size that can help.

Prohm tried with Holden, so it's not like he doesn't get it. That one just didn't work out unfortunately

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I agree on the TCU game. But I don't feel Lucas was the issue in the KU game. In fact I wish we wouldn't have wasted double teams on him, he isn't going to beat you, but by doubling him it opened up other guys.

I was more worried about Texas's bigs than I was with Lucas.

While Lucas may not have been the issue, he definitely was an issue. IMO, Lucas is more trouble for us than the TX bigs based on his experience. He has figured out how to get position down low early in the possession. Once he gets the ball in his hands five feet from the rim, we don't have anything that's keeping him from scoring consistently.

I think this is why many people are saying we will struggle against traditional bigs. On the flip side, traditional bigs will struggle against our guys on the other end, so it ends up just being an issue of whose game plan works better.

You're spot on about us double-teaming the opposing teams' bigs. Once they get position and get the ball, we have to pick our poison. Burton/Bowie/Young can maybe stop someone 1 out of 3 times, but Burton and Bowie aren't centers and Young is still a work in progress defensively.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I don't consider Baylor's big men to be traditional and I wouldn't consider Landon Lucas handing us our ass.

I appreciate semantics and taxonomy, but those don't matter in this case. Unfortunately in terms of size our failure in recruiting and getting exposed has plenty of examples of both traditional and nontraditional bigs of all types of tangible impacts. Call the style of play of Baylor's big men and Landon's performance what you want, they are the difference.

 

[WastedTalent]

We've been out rebounded 77 to 51 in the last two games.

237 to 167 in big 12

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I'm not advocating turning us into Purdue, with 3 7-footers. I'm just saying that with 13 scholarships, you need to keep at least one big on your roster that can at least stop the bleeding when a team is scoring at will on you in the paint.

I know it's way easier said than done, but Fred and Prohm have failed in the last 3 classes in landing someone with legit size that can help.

Prohm tried with Holden, so it's not like he doesn't get it. That one just didn't work out unfortunately

Ignore the resident emo's false dilemma, only someone on the fringe of being illiterate and formulating their thoughts on their years as video game GMs would be so clueless.

 

[Rabbuk]

That 7 footer for purdue with the buzz cut is pretty good. I'd take him in a minute.

 

[CyTwins]

That 7 footer for purdue with the buzz cut is pretty good. I'd take him in a minute.

7'2 and 290 lbs. Averaging 14 ppg in only 21.8 minutes. Insane

 

[Gunnerclone]

Maybe you've blocked out the TCU game where Brodziansky had 25 & 14, with 3 blocks. I couldn't blame you if you've erased that from memory.

Lucas and Brag combined for 24 & 12.

Bowie and Young combined for 2 & 0

We've been out rebounded 77 to 51 in the last two games.

But the problem is everyone is all worked up about "fixing" this issue like it can be fixed right now. We need to figure out how to win IN SPITE of this issue. Accept what we are, every team has weaknesses, exploit them like they are going to exploit ours. We're doing a great job of turning people over, extend the press, make teams play in press break/secondary break mode to nullify the big guys in the half court where we're susceptible.

People need to let go of our size problem this team isn't getting any bigger the rest of this year. Whether we win or lose, there's a good chance the other teams big guy or guys in KU's case had a good game. Accept it.

 

[Gunnerclone]

That 7 footer for purdue with the buzz cut is pretty good. I'd take him in a minute.

I hate watching Purdue. So boring. And so predictable that Iowa could nullify them. Has should average 20 and 10 but he can't stay in the court for more than 4 or 5 minutes at a time.