Article on Point Guards to NBA Monte #6

[brentblum]

It's not stats specifically in college that NBA looks at, it is your ability to produce at the NBA level and the physical tools needed to do that. Monte's numbers are fantastic and he will be a reliable PG at the NBA level, but he doesn't have the explosiveness of the top level NBA guys and players like Fultz, Fox, Ball and Smith do. NBA teams in the lottery are looking for the next Westbrook or Harden and the physical tools needed to become a guy like that, but also to defend a guy like that. Stats are secondary.

 

[jkclone]

What have the Pacers been doing with Georges recently? I get updates for Pacers final scores so I can check if Georges has done anything and lately he hasn't been listed on the 13 man game roster. I assumed he was on assignment with the D league affiliate but I just looked and he hasn't been playing in those games either. Is he hurt or something? Why isn't he getting minutes somewhere?

Because they are stupid. He may have maxed his time in the D-league but I don't know. I'd have to spend more time, because I have given up that he would get a real opportunity this year, but I don't think they are really getting great minutes from the other players either, which irritates me even more.

 

[CTTB78]

... But was anyone else just a tad surprised to see Mason ranked below Monte?....

That doesn't surprise me. He's too short.

Can't open the article but I was interested in Melo. He was ranked ahead of Monte?

 

[CTTB78]

It's not stats specifically in college that NBA looks at, it is your ability to produce at the NBA level and the physical tools needed to do that....Stats are secondary.

 

[CTTB78]

It's not stats specifically in college that NBA looks at, it is your ability to produce at the NBA level and the physical tools needed to do that.....Stats are secondary.

Except for the age stat, as Mr. Kane found out.

 

[brentblum]

Except for the age stat, as Mr. Kane found out.

Well, that plays into the physical tools part. At 24/25, you pretty much are who you are basketball wise. And Kane wasn't a good enough shooter to compensate for his average athleticism by NBA standards.

 

[IASTATE07]

That doesn't surprise me. He's too short.

Can't open the article but I was interested in Melo. He was ranked ahead of Monte?

6. Morris
7. Evans
8.Trimble

 

[Lexclone]

No. Mason is too short for the NBA.

While I agree with you, Isaiah Thomas says hello

 

[ZB4CY]

Finally glad to see an article out there that gives Morris some respect. The 5 in front of him should be in front of him. But when I was seeing Evans and Mason in front of him I was a bit confused. Yeah sure, they can put up scoring numbers in the Big 12, but as well all know that doesn't carry over to the NBA always.

In my eyes, Morris will be a 10 year NBA guy that will be a great back up-- will he ever be a starter? Maybe. But teams like a guy that can come in and run the 2nd teams.

 

[danielyp29]

Same reason Kane didn't get drafted. The NBA values youth and ceiling SO MUCH. Monte's ceiling is lower than those five. He's likely more NBA ready and will be more consistent, but teams drafting in the lottery are looking for their next all-star.

but Kane was 25 years old when he entered the draft, not 21 (turning 22)

 

[CY88CE11]

While I agree with you, Isaiah Thomas says hello

Right, but as they discussed in the article, players like that are the exception, not the rule. So, it wasn't surprising to see Monte above Frankie.

 

[madguy30]

why is baseball so much different than basketball? in baseball they value years of stats, years of increasing competition, and reward guys with long contracts based on that data. why does basketballl want youth over everything?

Potential is based on athleticism and I would assume that athleticism translates to quick fixes, highlight-type of plays and butts in the seats.

Monte's obviously consistent and I would think that would give him a chance at a roster.

 

[CY88CE11]

but Kane was 25 years old when he entered the draft, not 21 (turning 22)

I never said he was 25. I said he was older than the freshmen listed ahead of him.

 

[danielyp29]

I never said he was 25. I said he was older than the freshmen listed ahead of him.

right, you never mentioned it and I added that fact as an additional detail because Monte entering the draft as a 21 year old is still much different than Kane's situation was as a 25 year old... Monte still could grow as a player and also physically; he might not have reached his ceiling. Also, Kane playing a college game as a 24-25 year old against 18-19 year olds meant he could just physically dominate the game in college and also a big reason he had a good senior year, but that necessarily wouldn't translate in the pros. Kane also had flaws to his game which at 25, would be much harder to correct or develop better game than as a 21 year old. Someone else mentioned it in another post as well

Monte isn't listed behind a bunch of no-names either. He's listed behind 5 guys who were stud HS recruits, put up star numbers as freshmen, and have the skills and the size to be great NBA prospects.

tl;dr comparing Kane not getting drafted because he was older to why Monte is listed behind 4 stud freshmen PGs (and an international that I'm not familiar with) are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[CY88CE11]

right, you never mentioned it and I added that fact as an additional detail because Monte entering the draft as a 21 year old is still much different than Kane's situation was as a 25 year old... Monte still could grow as a player and also physically; he might not have reached his ceiling. Also, Kane playing a college game as a 24-25 year old against 18-19 year olds meant he could just physically dominate the game in college and also a big reason he had a good senior year, but that necessarily wouldn't translate in the pros. Kane also had flaws to his game which at 25, would be much harder to correct or develop better game than as a 21 year old. Someone else mentioned it in another post as well

Monte isn't listed behind a bunch of no-names either. He's listed behind 5 guys who were stud HS recruits, put up star numbers as freshmen, and have the skills and the size to be great NBA prospects.

tl;dr comparing Kane not getting drafted because he was older to why Monte is listed behind 4 stud freshmen PGs (and an international that I'm not familiar with) are comparing apples and oranges.

That's why I said they had higher ceilings, which you glossed over. You're arguing just to argue.

 

[danielyp29]

That's why I said they had higher ceilings, which you glossed over. You're arguing just to argue.

All I was doing initially was to point out a big detail you glossed over.

 

[cyhiphopp]

why is baseball so much different than basketball? in baseball they value years of stats, years of increasing competition, and reward guys with long contracts based on that data. why does basketballl want youth over everything?

The MLB drafts them, mostly out of HS and some out of college, based on the most of the same things. Athleticism, ceiling, raw ability... Not many are where they will end up when they are 18 year old high school baseball players. That's why MLB has a real minor league system to develop players out of athletes. NBA is a completely different animal. They don't want to draft great team players who had great stats in college, they want the best possible athletes in hopes they will be superstars in the NBA. That's why the lottery is full of one and done players and young foreign guys rather than NCAA seniors who might be at their max potential.

One of the reasons I can't stomach the NBA

 

[Pat]

One more thing about age: when a player is drafted, the team essentially can keep that player for 7 years before unrestricted free agency. It is generally understood that year 3 is when most guys will adjust and make the leap.

If you draft a 19 year old, you've got him in his early prime - years 4-7. If you draft a25 year old, he's not getting acclimated until he's already on his athletic downside. I loved Kane, but no NBA team was going to be excited about using a lottery pick to lock him up through age 32.

Generalizations here, but worth keeping in mind.

 

[CycloneErik]

Not an expert, but in baseball, they draft everyone young. Then, they develop them in house. For some reason, they also pay players what they were worth 5 years ago for the next 10 years. It's odd, but that's the market.

Along that thought, baseball is more of a long haul sport where you're looking for 5-10 good years from a prospect, and basketball careers often sputter out more quickly, so you look for high ceilings that players can reach quickly.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Along that thought, baseball is more of a long haul sport where you're looking for 5-10 good years from a prospect, and basketball careers often sputter out more quickly, so you look for high ceilings that players can reach quickly.

Baseball careers sputter out like that too. Just look at all the first round MLB draft prospects who never make the majors. They just draft and develop larger numbers of players in their full minor leagues. The NBA will never have that option. There are a few superstar baseball players who get to the bigs early and stick, those often end up being hall of famers.