Game of Thrones Season 7

[jdoggivjc]

The Targs were also polygamists so was a bit surprised they put the divorce in there. Always assumed he married Lyanna and was just going the sister wife route. Kind of wonder if GRRM will write the divorce.

I think he kind of has to, if he wants Jon Snow to be the legitimate heir to the Iron Throne. Remember, Bran called him "Jon Sand" before Sam informed him that Rhaegar annuled his marriage to Elia and then married Lyanna (although I think Bran is wrong - Jon wouldn't be a "Sand" as, although he was borne in Dorne, neither Rhaegar nor Lyanna are Dornish. He would be whatever the bastard name for the Crownlands would have been - although I can't look that up right now because the ASOIAF Wiki is down right now for whatever reason). I get it, the Targaryens were both incestuous and polygamists, but they still have to worry about lines of succession.

 

[carvers4math]

Maybe they needed the divorce to make Jon the one true heir?

No, the Mountain supposedly killed his siblings unless you go into something in the books that Varys said that may or may not be true.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

I haven't seen this discussed yet, but did anyone else think Jaime was gonna die by the Mountain's sword after Cersei nodded? I was thinking, "Holy ****! They caught me napping. I didn't see this coming"

.....and then Jaime walks away.

 

[jdoggivjc]

IDK how I feel about that, I think it was him being the hand of the Queen and being wary of the potential consequences of what they are doing. It was a somewhat creepy shot, maybe if he just was walking and turned the corner to see Jon walking in to her room, it would have been less creepy and more of an answer as to why he was "spying". But it seemed as though he knew this was going to happen and was following Jon. Either way I don't think Tyrion is in love with Dany on the show, it was just a wrinkle for the showrunners to have another person who knows what happened between Jon and Dany. Especially nice for when Dany starts showing signs that she is preggo and Tyrion outs her like he did Cersei

Like I said, I have troubles buying the theory myself - I was just throwing it out there.

 

[srjclone]

Like I said, I have troubles buying the theory myself - I was just throwing it out there.

No I get it, and wasn't meaning to be coming at you. Just stating my thoughts on that theory

 

[jdoggivjc]

No, the Mountain supposedly killed his siblings unless you go into something in the books that Varys said that may or may not be true.

The problem is, if Jon is an illegitimate child of Rhaegar, then he is still out of the line of succession and then Dany truly is the heir of the throne as the sole living legitimate Targaryen. That is why we're saying that if GRRM wants Jon to be the legitimate heir to the throne the divorce has to happen.

 

[carvers4math]

I think he loves her, but more like a daughter or younger sister (I know, same thing to Targs & Lannisters). But I don't think it's a romantic love. I think he genuinely believes in her, and she has certainly treated him better than his family.

Tyrion is much like Sansa for me. Their stories are so different in the books than the show that I feel they have been whitewashed for TV. I just can't view him as altruistic in this. I suppose maybe the showrunners have made him some honorable guy, but to me his allegiance is always to himself first. Dany has him back in the game with a chance of power. Maybe he feels threatened by Jon's influence on her and some of his own recent miscues?

 

[isufbcurt]

The problem is, if Jon is an illegitimate child of Rhaegar, then he is still out of the line of succession and then Dany truly is the heir of the throne as the sole living legitimate Targaryen. That is why we're saying that if GRRM wants Jon to be the legitimate heir to the throne the divorce has to happen.

Annulment actually.

 

[carvers4math]

The problem is, if Jon is an illegitimate child of Rhaegar, then he is still out of the line of succession and then Dany truly is the heir of the throne as the sole living legitimate Targaryen. That is why we're saying that if GRRM wants Jon to be the legitimate heir to the throne the divorce has to happen.

So you are saying only children from a first marriage are legitimate even is he has multiple wives? I think the original Aegon married both his sisters.

 

[isufbcurt]

So you are saying only children from a first marriage are legitimate even is he has multiple wives? I think the original Aegon married both his sisters.

unless the first marriage is annuled

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Annulment actually.

Which brings up the question: they had two kids, so clearly the marriage was consummated. How then can they get an annulment?

 

[srjclone]

Which brings up the question: they had two kids, so clearly the marriage was consummated. How then can they get an annulment?

Paramores. Paramores everywhere.

 

[CycloneErik]

Which brings up the question: they had two kids, so clearly the marriage was consummated. How then can they get an annulment?

If it's anything like Catholic annulments, you can still annul a marriage that's been consummated and produced children. For Catholics, the children are still considered legitimate, which is a weird twist to me, but it benefits me personally, I guess, so it works.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Paramores. Paramores everywhere.

Huh?
Also: *Paramours. You're welcome.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

If it's anything like Catholic annulments, you can still annul a marriage that's been consummated and produced children. For Catholics, the children are still considered legitimate, which is a weird twist to me, but it benefits me personally, I guess, so it works.

I know the Catholic faith has some interesting rules for marriage, remarriage, divorce and annulments, but I'm not sure of the specifics. I don't think there are too many Catholics in Westeros, though.

 

[CycloneErik]

I know the Catholic faith has some interesting rules for marriage, remarriage, divorce and annulments, but I'm not sure of the specifics. I don't think there are too many Catholics in Westeros, though.

I'm assuming it's a pretty direct counterpart based on observations from some Western Civ students and then some reading on my own.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Paramores. Paramores everywhere.

 

[srjclone]

SOrry, I meant to put the apostrophe after the e. I knew someone would get it

 

[CycloneWarning]

I don't think it matters if Jon is legitimate, except for the story. I expect him to sacrifice himself for Dany or Winterfell in S8. No way this ends on a happy note.

Other misc predictions (from me) for last season:

- Theon grows a pair (pun intended) and he and his skeleton crew rescue Yara from Pyke while Euron is off in Essos. Yara and Theon get a measure of revenge on Euron.

- GLEGANEBOWL!! (everyone knows this is coming)

- I know it is not popular here, but I still believe Jaqen eventually takes out Arya for her misuse of the skills learned at HofBW. I think only Sansa and Bran survive.

- There is no baby. Cersei has been playing Jaime. He will take her out when she is having Qyburn prepare to burn the City (again).

- OR, GoT ends with WW defeated, Jaime and Jon sacrificed, dragons gone, and last scenes are Cersei having her baby, and Dany having Jon's baby -- signaling that the wheel remains in motion and fight will continue....

 

[NickTheGreat]

The annulment never made sense to me. What with everyone just killing people that get in their way.