Game of Thrones Season 7

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Night King win, wiping out Westeros. Maybe there are still Children living somewhere who can reclaim the land. But what is the Night King's motivation? What is his endgame? We don't know. Seems to be a rather common problem in fantasy, big evil, but no reasons or motivations to go along with big evil.
Do you think they will bring the Children back into the fold somehow in the final season? I am on the fence on if they go that route
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing the Night King win, wiping out Westeros. Maybe there are still Children living somewhere who can reclaim the land. But what is the Night King's motivation? What is his endgame? We don't know. Seems to be a rather common problem in fantasy, big evil, but no reasons or motivations to go along with big evil.

So, would you say that you support Wight Supremacy, then?
 

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Do you think they will bring the Children back into the fold somehow in the final season? I am on the fence on if they go that route
I doubt it. I really enjoy reading everyone's theories, but I've never been very good at making my own theories. I was commenting on the apparent happy ending that may be coming. My own opinion is this show has been too dark for a standard happy ending. Since the 1st episode Dany has been portrayed as the good guy, with rough edges. But lately D&D have been making me doubt that. Jon, likewise, has been shown in a good light, but now that he is Aegon, I'm not too sure. Certainly the Starks have issues too. Earlier when I said Big Evil has no motivation or reasons for its actions, that discounts the idea that big evil is just a metaphor for the human condition. Throughout history there are long periods of misery, with a period of relative enlightenment every few hundred years, then the Shadow returns.
 
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Bran tells her what, though? Like I said, Arya already knew that Sansa was forced to write the letter. She didn't care. What did Bran say that Arya wouldn't already have assumed?

Bran- "Arya, listen. Joffrey and Cersei had guards hit Sansa, and they threatened to kill her. I've seen it."
Arya- "And...?"

That whole line was covered in S&A's previous argument. Arya made it pretty clear she didn't care that she was forced to write it. She said she'd rather die before betraying her family." What does Bran have to add that would change that feeling? What about Arya's character, thusfar, would lead us to believe that she'd be swayed?

Perhaps a changer for Arya was when she told Sansa that she was at Ned's beheading, and Sansa flipped it on her that she did nothing to stop it as well. Maybe Arya realized that just as her novice fighting skills were useless in that moment, Sansa's novice political skills were also useless.
 

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I rewatched last night and he did not say future. Not in that scene at least.
He did not say that your right. But he can still the future, as he already has viewed the future with The WildFire exploding under the Sept of Baelor. Also, Jojen Reed saw the future and his skills were much less powerful than Brans potential. I think the question is, is if Bran knows he can see the future or not. He could see something happening and not have any context to it, just knows that it is important. Idk, just an idea.
 

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Just curious, but are you suggesting that Sansa was the only one at the trial that knew she was going to turn the table on Littlefinger, or just that it was her idea? If it's the former, I'm having a hard time envisioning any scenario where Arya didn't know about the turning of the tables.

I was curious to know when the Knights of the Vale turned against LF. Obviously Yohn Royce didn't need much convincing, but nobody was in a rush to come to their lord's aid.

I think Sansa deserves more credit but also I don't think Arya ever doubted Sansa would do the right thing. IMO her entire attitude was to test the relationship between Sansa and LF. The scene prior to LF's death showed Sansa looking over the Winterfell courtyard (a la Ned) was her contemplating what to do. She HAD the KotV in her back pocket this entire time. It really was a Cersei-esque move. She had major dirt on LF that would destroy him, info that no one else knew, she used him until he was no longer beneficial. She was given the confidence to go forward with her plan because once the KotV knew the truth, they'd turn on LF and with Arya around, she fears no one. With no Arya, Jon or Brianne in Winterfel, Sansa probably doesn't make this move. Sansa was a vitctim for 6 seasons but she also received an education in politics during her time at KL, she had been leading up to this moment for a long time. She's my least favorite person on this show but that was one of my favorite scenes of the entire series.

My question now is,if Jon were to take his rightful place on the Iron Throne (I don't think he lives in the end regardless but IF) what happens to Winterfell? Does Sansa stay as the Lady of the House? I think itd be great if she ended up with Tyrion, having a Lannister running the North would be the perfect GoT ending.
 

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I suppose for the sake of the story, the Mountain still needs to be by Cersie's side. Otherwise, there's not much else protecting her. Clegane bowl may be the last fight fought on GOT

Could be but under those circumstances then the dead must be defeated at some point which kind of takes away some of the fun. The question then is just who survives and I highly doubt both Jon and Dany are surviving.
 

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Discussion questions if anyone wants to share an opinion:

I know the NK's endgame has been brought up numerous times, but it really plays into his next move. Is the army of the dead going to head towards Winterfell and then follow the King's Road to Kings Landing ignoring everything else? Will they go after Castle Black? Will they just meander all around the north, attacking each house as they encounter it before going south? Is there a true destination or just a spread and conquer mentality? It's not like they should have any real idea of the lay of the land at all. Will they bother with Bear Island or Pyke?

I don't see them splitting up their forces since the ice dragon is their war hammer and numbers are their strength.

What is the most defensible location for the living to make a stand? The combination of the Bloody Gate and the Eyrie has to be right up there, I'd think. Riverrun's ability to redirect water is an intriguing option, but I feel like the ice dragon just freezes it and nullifies the advantage.

Will Jaime or Tyrion think about using wildfire as a weapon? If you laid a trap, that stuff can wipe out huge chunks of wights quickly before the NK could extinguish the flames.

Can a dragonglass arrow take down Viserion, or does it need to be something more significant? From what I've seen, it doesn't take a huge amount of contact with dragonglass to end a wight walker. It seems like a hail of dragonglass arrows would be a pretty formidable weapon against the NK's dragon. I'm assuming weapons have been made since the mining of Dragon Stone was taking place several episodes ago.

Does Bronn go with Jaime? He didn't witness the wight during the meeting. He says he's loyal to himself and gold, but he's definitely formed a bond with Mr. Golden Hand.

Do any dragons exist at the end of the series? I have a feeling none survive, but that's just a guess based on nothing but opinion.
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing the Night King win, wiping out Westeros. Maybe there are still Children living somewhere who can reclaim the land. But what is the Night King's motivation? What is his endgame? We don't know. Seems to be a rather common problem in fantasy, big evil, but no reasons or motivations to go along with big evil.

NK was created to kill men so his goal is to kill all men, that expanded to killing children of forest so maybe his plans changed.

I think there are still children of the forest alive on the isle of faces. Which is near Harrenhall, gods eye lake or something like that