Game of Thrones Season 7
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Or, they weren't on to him the whole time, and Bran set them straight. They obviously got information from him since he is the only one that could have known that Littlefinger kill the hand of King Rob and plotted to have Ned Stark killed.
The scene with Bran and Sam was one of my favorites. Sam's reactions were funny, and the writers inserted a nice piece of humor with Bran showing Sam the message. I know the show has been drifting towards the serious nature of the plot, but I like how they haven't forgotten to include bits of comedy to remind us to simply be entertained.
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Bran tells her what, though? Like I said, Arya already knew that Sansa was forced to write the letter. She didn't care. What did Bran say that Arya wouldn't already have assumed?
Bran- "Arya, listen. Joffrey and Cersei had guards hit Sansa, and they threatened to kill her. I've seen it."
Arya- "And...?"
That whole line was covered in S&A's previous argument. Arya made it pretty clear she didn't care that she was forced to write it. She said she'd rather die before betraying her family." What does Bran have to add that would change that feeling? What about Arya's character, thusfar, would lead us to believe that she'd be swayed?
For me the Sansa Arya scene made perfect sense. Arya pissed at her sister, wanted to get back at her for how Sansa had treated her and acted the foolish girl. She was having fun scaring the crap out of Sansa, but Arya has Stark family first honor like her father and brother Jon. She was going to ever kill her, but she was going to have fun fxxcking with her. Jon also forgave Theon which mirrored the sansa/Arya plot.
I actually thought the Jon Theon scene was the best in the episode. Your Stark and Greyjoy. He was your father too....why are you talking to me then?....
Overall I thought Jon stole the show this episode.
I also loved his statement that if you don't tell the truth words don't have any meaning, such a north man.
Also got to applaud him for being direct and going to Danys room.
I think Dany showing all her might at the meeting was another misstep in strategy. Tyrion is NOT doing a very good job. His sister continues to outplay him.
I just hope with Jamie's arrival to the group, Dany goes'and burns up Eurons ships. And I have to think that perhaps the iron island folk assist Yara and Theon as well with Euron away.
I also wonder if Euron will double-cross Cersei at some point.
I actually thought the Jon Theon scene was the best in the episode. Your Stark and Greyjoy. He was your father too....why are you talking to me then?....
Overall I thought Jon stole the show this episode.
I also loved his statement that if you don't tell the truth words don't have any meaning, such a north man.
Also got to applaud him for being direct and going to Danys room.
I think Dany showing all her might at the meeting was another misstep in strategy. Tyrion is NOT doing a very good job. His sister continues to outplay him.
I just hope with Jamie's arrival to the group, Dany goes'and burns up Eurons ships. And I have to think that perhaps the iron island folk assist Yara and Theon as well with Euron away.
I also wonder if Euron will double-cross Cersei at some point.
Show/Tell her that if it weren't for LittleFinger, Ned wouldn't be dead? I mean they both bonded over their father being gone, no?
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How does that change anything about the note, though? I'm not arguing that Arya wouldn't have blamed Littlefinger. She definitely would. But this is Arya we're talking about. Her middle name is vengeance. Being forced to do something is not an excuse for her, evidenced by Illlyn Payne whose job as Royal Executioner was enough to get him onto her list. She made it pretty clear how she felt about Sansa writing that letter. Bran's visions of Sansa's hardships or Littlefinger's meddling don't change what Sansa did one bit.
Ned was dead when he told Cersei what he knew. LF was just a pawn in her scheme to have Ned try and pull a power play.
It was more than that, they told Sansa that she had to write the note as a condition of Ned being spared.
Sansa and Arya never were particularly close sisters. Complete opposites really. Different interests. Arya both jealous of Sansa as the "pretty" one who did all the girl things right, and a bit disdainful of the frivolous nature of her interests and putting on airs. Sansa turning her nose up at her "bastard brother," with Arya sharing his looks, interests, and even getting Needle from Jon. Sansa surely also blamed Arya for Lady's death at least for a time.
Despite Sansa's betrayal, they both loved their parents. They may not have followed Ned's execution lesson but they did at least with respect to Littlefinger remember his lesson about family: "When the snow falls and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." About time Bran became a player too. They have led lonely paths, all three of them, for most of the series. Hoping they stay a pack now.
Despite Sansa's betrayal, they both loved their parents. They may not have followed Ned's execution lesson but they did at least with respect to Littlefinger remember his lesson about family: "When the snow falls and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." About time Bran became a player too. They have led lonely paths, all three of them, for most of the series. Hoping they stay a pack now.
I think that is what scene between A&S outside is supposed to clear up. Before Sansa claimed that Arya wouldn't have been able to live through all the things she lived through and Arya scoffed. Bran then explained to Arya everything Sansa has been through and now Arya understands the full weight of everything Sansa has endured. As such and being that they are sisters Arya forgives Sansa and admits to her that she would not have been able to survive what Sansa did, as Arya knows she would not have been able to act as a Lady the way Sansa did. Arya realizes that while she and Sansa are different they are both survivors and Sansa couldn't do what Arya did, and Arya couldn't have done what Sansa did. Sansa repays her by complimenting her toughness. It also shows that Arya is still human. Which she has struggled with for quite some time.
I think the Arya/Sansa conflict was poorly handled from the writing perspective. It could have happened that way, but the LF Sansa note gambit was dumb, because it would be obvious to the Lords that it was made under duress to save Ned's life. It provides no leverage over Sansa.
So they should have used a different angle and found more believable circumstances.
Also, they are using Bran as a "Gandalf" where he is just a vehicle to make plot points happen too conveniently. Sloppy, but this is a TV show not a novel, so there are understandable constraints, as they have to keep it moving. The other option is 16 seasons.
So they should have used a different angle and found more believable circumstances.
Also, they are using Bran as a "Gandalf" where he is just a vehicle to make plot points happen too conveniently. Sloppy, but this is a TV show not a novel, so there are understandable constraints, as they have to keep it moving. The other option is 16 seasons.
Sympathy for the rape that followed? People change their minds. That's a lot more believable to me than the idea they were setting up of Sansa and Arya hating each other and Sansa siding with Little Finger.
Guessing that is where she is. He dragged her off to King's Landing but guess he has her now since he threatened to kill her. Cersei would have no interest in her so guessing she is Eurons. Also, Theon won't likely to be able to rescue her from dungeons at King's Landing with a handful of Iron loyalists.
And, man, how easily swayed are those Iron dudes anyway. "Kill Theon! No, all hail Theon! All hail Yara! We never really liked that run and pillage plan anyway!"
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Obviously, Euron is too big of a **** for even the Ironborn, who are just dicks in general.
Who says last week's scene wasn't real just because of what happened this week? They didn't have to "build tension" for Sansa and Arya - if you go back to season 1 there has always been a tension between the two - they simply didn't like each other. We all knew when Arya arrived at Winterfell it wasn't going to be a 100% happy reunion. And while it was happy initially, their differences (not to mention Littlefinger) began splitting them apart again, and mistrust led Sansa to the point where she began snooping through Arya's things to find that "incriminating information", to which Arya demonstrated to Sansa "I'm not the woman you **** with". If you paid attention to one of the final scenes with Sansa and Arya on the wall, Sansa says (paraphrased) "the lone wolf dies; the pack survives". I take this to mean that, in spite of all their many differences, they are both (all) Starks and Sansa will do all in her power such that her family survives.
As far as there being a conspiracy between Sansa and Arya to entrap Littlefinger, what if there wasn't? What if that was all Sansa? Sure, Arya has never trusted Littlefinger, but she doesn't know the depths of his depravity the way Sansa does. For years Sansa has been nothing but Littlefinger's tool for world domination. While she was too young and naive to understand the implications of what Littlefinger did to betray John Arryn, Ned, and Catelyn, by the time he pushed Aunt Lysa out the moon door, essentially stole the Vale right out from the Arryns, and then sold Sansa to the Boltons, she had become wise to Littlefinger. Who says Sansa didn't use Arya as unsuspecting bait to trap Littlefinger in his own web of lies? It's the very thing Littlefinger would do, and was the very thing he was hoping for, and you could see the smirk on his face - until Sansa turned the trial onto him.
