THE SUNDAY AFTER: Texas
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That's the easier narrative. We only scored 7 so this team is only capable of scoring 7 from here on out. Park threw some really bad passes so he is only capable of that going forward. Manning is setting records with our mediocre talent after just starting into the 2nd season.
Flush this game. Learn from it what you can but flush it.
Didn't Thursday night show you the problems of only running up tempo offenses.
Tech lost because they did not have the personal like TCU to slow the game down against Okie Lite.
UT when they played for the national championship against Bama could not move the ball for over 2 quarters because McCoy was injured and Gilbert did not have the timing with the receivers.
If Mack Brown had established a running game that season UT would have ran the ball and would have won that game against a less talented Bama team. Bama couldn't throw the ball either but because they were committed to the run all season had no program with just running the ball.
East of I-35 into Louisiana is the area with the best running backs in the country.
Why should UT go away from this
Dude- TCU ran 85 plays against Okie St- Their highest of the season. TCU did not slow it down against Okie St. Exactly the opposite. They played faster
Clemson went up tempo against Alabama last year and that is how they won. They wore them down. tOSU has been much better since Urban Meyer came to town and started playing more uptempo. Fastest team in the big tin. Etc. Etc.
No, Thursday night didn't show anything. It is one night and one data point in a season that has hundreds of data points. Like I said...too early to claim there is a trend one way or the other.
As for Texas...Texas has been one of the slowest tempoed offenses in the Big 12 since Mac Brown left. 2nd only to KSU. They ran the ball an average of 58% of the time 2nd only to KSU...How did that work out for them?
And really, I don't give a rats arse about Texas. There is a whole other world out there. I do know that the PAC 12, Big 12 and ACC all run at a faster pace. The SEC and big tin have had more teams switching to uptempo offenses. Because they are successful. Maybe the Big 12 is switching back but it is too early to declare a trend.
TCU had the ball for almost 40 minutes against Okie Lite. That was 2/3 of the game. The amount of plays was because Okie Lite and Mike Gundy was too stubborn to adapt to how TCU played and kept his defense on the field.
Okie Lite doesn't have the depth to keep their defense on the field 2/3 of the game.
Ohio State's Achilles heel has been Michigan St.
I believe since Meyer went to Columbus Michigan St has a wining record against Ohio State.
Clemson also had an unbelievable QB in Deshaun Watson. Yes a QB like VY, Cam Newton or Watson can make any Defense look horrible but those QB's do not come in all the time
Clemson is doing it again this year.
Iowa has one of the slowest paces in the country...they aren't doing well.
Pace has no correlation to success. What matters is matching your talent to the system/pace.
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Some playcallers script the first X number of plays. It's possible that play #3 was this clunker.
And that's all I've got....
Do you even watch these games.
Clemson is winning with Defense not QB play.
Against Auburn Bryant did not look good.
Clemson has the best D in the country right now.
You've really made yourself at home here this week. I'm glad you don't seem to be trolling too much. So are you planning on being a long-time visitor? Just curious if we need to order more laundry detergent or stock the pantry or something.
I wasn't planning to stay after the first few posts but became interested in the conversation on this board because of the narrative after the game.
It seems like ISU's fans are upset about the play calling but are not understanding that with the offense they run they have to establish the pass before they can run the ball.
Very much like how the run used to open up the pass.
My point is the teams who are winning at this time can play both ways if needed. Alabama can play up tempo or they can force their will upon an opponent with the run. Never does Bama use the pass game to open up the run.
I think all four Texas universities have shown a willingness this season to slow down tempo. TCU has been the best at it while Tech lacks the personal to do so.
Yes, I watch the games... Do you?
Pace does not determine success either way. I can give you examples of successful programs that run at a faster pace and unsuccessful programs that run at a slow pace. Just because a team has a good defense doesn't mean they don't run at a faster pace.
I see you completely avoided how awful Texas has been being one of the slowest paced teams in the Big 12. Art Briles was very successful run at a fast pace as was Chip Kelly. They key is having the personnel to run that pace.
KSU was 6-7 two years ago, 9-4 last year...same pace. Why successful one year and not so much the next...same pace.
Alabama does what it does because it has the most talent in the country and they recruit the players to fit their style. Texas schools do not define college trends. Nor is it late enough in the season to determine trends.
You're talking tactics with the wrong girl. I'm just curious if you're going to be a long-time resident or not. We've got lots of Hawkeyes. A couple KSU fans, a couple of Baylor guys, and I think one Boomer too. I can't name any Longhorns, so I think you'd be the first!
Aren't you running an offense that came out of the Texas High School system that merged with Mike Leach at Oklahoma and then Tech.
The spread offense became a trend because of the trend of high schools in Texas who never won before started winning because they changed the pace in the late 90's.
To run that pace you have to have a QB.
During the game your QB has to have timing and if your QB is injured or can not establish timing you lose.
I can list here probably about 50 games that a team who runs the spread offense looked horrible in one game because of QB play.
That team cannot run the ball to win because their run game is determined by their QB play.
Last one maybe the most meaningful to ISU because it was the last game your university played
Before the spread offense was the wishbone ran by DKR.
Yes UT and the state of Texas establishes trends in football.
You can include OU into this as well.
Yes UT and the state of Texas establishes trends in football.
You can include OU into this as well.
Well written analysis. It was very frustrating to watch. I don't necessarily agree that we would have run all over UT had we stuck with Montgomery, because UT has some dudes in their front seven, even with only 5 or 6 in the box. But I definitely agree we should have never completely abandoned the running game, and there were still yards to be had.
It was clear UT was blitzing frequently, every 2 or 3 plays. Have to anticipate and plan for that.
It was clear UT was timing the blitzes perfect. We have to develop some sort of hard count. The look to the sideline-look for the snap rhythm is too consistent.
It was clear Texas's pressure was affecting Park, and our offensive timing in general. Like Jay pointed out, we could have attacked the vacated space, offered more safety checkdowns to backs/TE's, call some screens(!). I understand that it's easier to coach guys using consistent personnel/formations, but can we ever just get out of the spread? Go single back with 2-TE, or I-formation. Give UT a different look. Give more max protect for our QB being harassed. It seemed too much that we let UT dictate our offense, and we didn't adjust or even get on the aggressive.
Disappointing to be 0-2 in key toss-up games, especially both at home. Not going to many bowl games with that output. With all the criticism said, I firmly believe in Manning (and Campbell's) plan. This was what, Manning's 16th game calling plays, and playing chess against a high-level DC? The unfortunate thing is we have to try to get back on track @ OU......
It was clear UT was blitzing frequently, every 2 or 3 plays. Have to anticipate and plan for that.
It was clear UT was timing the blitzes perfect. We have to develop some sort of hard count. The look to the sideline-look for the snap rhythm is too consistent.
It was clear Texas's pressure was affecting Park, and our offensive timing in general. Like Jay pointed out, we could have attacked the vacated space, offered more safety checkdowns to backs/TE's, call some screens(!). I understand that it's easier to coach guys using consistent personnel/formations, but can we ever just get out of the spread? Go single back with 2-TE, or I-formation. Give UT a different look. Give more max protect for our QB being harassed. It seemed too much that we let UT dictate our offense, and we didn't adjust or even get on the aggressive.
Disappointing to be 0-2 in key toss-up games, especially both at home. Not going to many bowl games with that output. With all the criticism said, I firmly believe in Manning (and Campbell's) plan. This was what, Manning's 16th game calling plays, and playing chess against a high-level DC? The unfortunate thing is we have to try to get back on track @ OU......
You tell me...is every spread offense developed in Texas?
So a spread offense began in Texas in 1927 and then there are 1000 interpretations of it since.
So was it Rusty Russell, Dutch Meyer, Howard Fletcher?
Maybe Jack Neumeier from Cali who built his influences from Ohio which led to Jack Elway then Dennis Ericksen, who influenced Joe Tiller, Hal Mumme, Mike Leach, Rich Rod, Mike L and Urban Meyer.
You see the spread offense was happening throughout football. Not just in Texas. I know Texans don't believe it but there is a whole other world outside those state lines. Mike Leach at Iowa Wesleyan, Dennis Erickson at Wyoming, Washington St, Mike Price, etc. Urban Meyer developed his off of Erickson and Linehan as well as influences from Rich Rid and Tiller. They were all doing it in the early 90s and late 80's.
Judging by Toledo...Campbell would prefer an Urban Meyer run first spread option far more than an Air Raid type of attack. However, like most spreads, he is able to alter his philosophy to fit personnel. iSu has an OL that isn't great at getting push, limited to pulling left, has a solid QB and a decent WR corp. So is more a blend
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