In some ways he sucks at recruiting, in other ways he consistently has some good P5 players that few P5s valued highly.
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Actually 54 of his 163 wins or 33% of his wins came against Ohio Valley competition. But that is just regular season games - not including conference tournaments so maybe it is closer to 35%. Regardless, there is a lot more there than Ohio Valley success.
That doesn't change the fact that you continue to use numbers that are misrepresented.
Well granted, Cult of Frank fans never liked Weber because Martin was their daddy. But most K-State fans - beyond those - are supportive and like this team very much. The hurdle this year is finishing top half and making the NCAA tournament. Looks like he's on that path with this squad even after losing his point guard.
Returning an entire roster of players that have hit their ceiling already and are .500 in league play doesn't equate to being 15-3 the following year.
I think Kstste is better right now, I think Iowa St has a much higher ceiling next year and beyond. If finishing .500 and playing in the 8/9 game in the tourney is good enough then I would say Weber is doing a decent job.
Almost every coach in the conference has managed to recruit three really good players in the last 6 years. It's hilarious how overvalued Weber is by K-State fans. And even more hilarious that one of the players you tout as a sign of Weber being a good coach (Foster) hated Weber so much that he transferred out of the program after one season. One shared conference title has basically bought him a hall pass forever.
- Bill Self
- Bob Huggins
- Lon Kruger
- Chris Beard
- Jamie Dixon
- Scott Drew
- Bruce Weber
- Steve Prohm
- Mike Boynton
- Shaka Smart
Marcus Foster was shown the door. He didn't 'transfer out.'
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Tuco I usually have your back and think you've got 20x the basketball intelligence than Surly, but how do you have Beard so high?
An argument can be made based off career results, so I won't even question that. Beard 4th over Drew and Dixon is laughable.
It’s uncommon, but these lists have a look forward aspect and isn’t just a career results list. Career accomplishments from different situations definitely are an input, but at one point Bill Self was just the new coach at Tulsa and it would have seemed laughable to have him near the top of this group.
Dixon is clearly a good coach, I would have him ahead, but Beard inherited a far worse situation in TT. To have Beard and Dixon at 4 and 5 respectively isn’t really saying much.
I wish all KSU fans and the administration loved Weber as much as surly.
- Bill Self
- Bob Huggins
- Lon Kruger
- Scott Drew
- Jamie Dixon
- Chris Beard
- Steve Prohm
- Bruce Weber
- Shaka Smart
- Mike Boynton
new rankings would have Beard at 5, Weber at 6, Dixon at 7, Prohm at 8
7-9 are the toughest to rank. 5-6 is basically a tie.
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