Report: 30+ teams could be punished for recruiting violations

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Former college players repped by Andy Miller and their former schools:

Lavoy Allen- Temple
Malik Allen - Nova
James Anderson - Okie State
Chucky Atkins- South Florida
Malik Beasley- Florida State
Chauncey Billups- Colorado
Jaron Blossomgame- Clemson
Keith Bogans- Kentucky
Trevor Booker- Clemson
Craig Brackins- Iowa State
Greg Buckner- Clemson
Alec Burks- Colorado
Rakeem Christmas- Syracuse
Jermareo Davidson- Alabama
Michael Frazier- Florida
Ashton Gibbs- Pitt
Daniel Gibson- Texas
Aaron Gray- Pitt
Daniel Hackett- Southern Cal
Brendan Haywood- Carolina
Bobby Jackson- Minnesota
Jared Jeffries- Indiana
Cady Lalanne- Mass
Kyle Lowry- Nova
Tyronn Lue- Nebraska
Cartier Martin- Kansas State
Kenyon Martin- Cincinnati
Roger Mason- Virginia
Jason Maxiell- Cincinnati
Eric Maynor- VCU
Antonio McDyess- Alabama
Andre Miller- Utah
Cuttino Mobley- Rhode Island
Kyle O'Quinn- Norfolk St.
Justin Patton- Creighton
Casey Prather- Florida
Malachi Richardson- Syracuse
Austin Rivers- Duke
Brian Roberts- Dayton
Jeff Robinson- Seton Hall
Stanley Robinson- UConn
Michael Ruffin- Tulsa
Peyton Siva- Louisville
Stromile Swift- LSU
Kaleb Tarczewski- Arizona
Hollis Thompson- Georgetown
Myles Turner- Texas
Maalik Wayns- Nova
Lorenzen Wright- Memphis



Your Honor. I would now like to present my "Everyone else is doing the same thing so it's OK defense."
 
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This is all going to be nothing. The crimes here are tax evasion. And tax evasion isn't an NCAA rule. Paying players isn't illegal. Buying kids cars isn't illegal. They'll pay some taxes and penalties and the world will go on.

NCAA needs the power of law to be useful. Or it needs to accept that it's a glorified tournament organizer.
But the FBI will have at that point done all of the investigating for the NCAA so they can just take the report and hand down punishments - if they really want to look like they are still trying to clean things up, that is.
 

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But the FBI will have at that point done all of the investigating for the NCAA so they can just take the report and hand down punishments - if they really want to look like they are still trying to clean things up, that is.

The NCAA has shown ZERO ability to control their member institutions. Athletes murder other students, rape other students, school protect child molesters, and nothing happens. The NCAA has shown they have zero credibility and IF the FBI hands over their files to the NCAA you know damn well the affected institutions will continue to just do their thing. If the top schools are all going to get affected what can the NCAA do? Nothing. If ONE school was affected they could punish them (which they would't anyway) but 30 top schools? Punishment would kill their main source of income.

When a blue blood can make fake degrees and get away with it because 'the NCAA doesn't look into academics" that opened the floodgates. The NCAA has zero control. It's a pointless institution beyond scheduling an annual tournament.
 

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The NCAA has shown ZERO ability to control their member institutions. Athletes murder other students, rape other students, school protect child molesters, and nothing happens. The NCAA has shown they have zero credibility and IF the FBI hands over their files to the NCAA you know damn well the affected institutions will continue to just do their thing. If the top schools are all going to get affected what can the NCAA do? Nothing. If ONE school was affected they could punish them (which they would't anyway) but 30 top schools? Punishment would kill their main source of income.

When a blue blood can make fake degrees and get away with it because 'the NCAA doesn't look into academics" that opened the floodgates. The NCAA has zero control. It's a pointless institution beyond scheduling an annual tournament.
Hence why I said "if".
 
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The NCAA exists on funds created by the NCAA tournament. ESPN has a huge stake in "the road goes through Lawrence, Kansas, baby." There will be every effort by those institutions to minimize the effects of this FBI sting. That said, I doubt the organizations have any clue what they're dealing with here. The FBI could very well have had court orders to phone type Indianapolis for all we or the academics know.
 

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The NCAA exists on funds created by the NCAA tournament. ESPN has a huge stake in "the road goes through Lawrence, Kansas, baby." There will be every effort by those institutions to minimize the effects of this FBI sting. That said, I doubt the organizations have any clue what they're dealing with here. The FBI could very well have had court orders to phone type Indianapolis for all we or the academics know.
If so - and I have no reason to doubt it - they are looking at it all wrong. Think about the interest that could be generated if a bunch of the cheating blue-bloods were suddenly out of it and it was a free-for-all, nobody-knows-who-is-going-to-step-up tournament. It might generate interest of historic proportions.
 

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Media has been a large part of this black market fraud for a long time. They have ignored the obvious cheating going on at places like Ku and UK while minimizing it at North Carolina in the academic fraud case.

They build up stars like Trae Young, Roy Williams and John Calipari in Madison Avenue marketing campaigns designed solely to sell their product. ESPN and guys like Jay Bilas are the absolute definitions of hypocrites. They are all-in. It's their livelihood.
 

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Your Honor. I would now like to present my "Everyone else is doing the same thing so it's OK defense."
Fail.

My intention was to put a list out there to compare to once the real list comes out. The FBI isnt just randomly investigating schools. Schools get on the FBI radar based on uncovered evidence during the course of an investigation. A list of schools involved with an agent who had his office raided by the FBI seems like a likely first step.
 
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Media has been a large part of this black market fraud for a long time. They have ignored the obvious cheating going on at places like Ku and UK while minimizing it at North Carolina in the academic fraud case.

They build up stars like Trae Young, Roy Williams and John Calipari in Madison Avenue marketing campaigns designed solely to sell their product. ESPN and guys like Jay Bilas are the absolute definitions of hypocrites. They are all-in. It's their livelihood.
The media ignores issues at the big schools?!? What channel have you been watching? Good grief, the media covers every stinky bowel movement they find out about at the big name schools.
 

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44, Ku's records have been subpoena by the FBI, just like Frank Martin's school. Auburn. Miami and the rest.

Adidas's lead basketball school is Kansas University aka Ku. Your program is up to its gonads in this sting. Y'all will be damn fortunate to not be cited.

http://www.kansan.com/sports/fbi-sa...cle_af64a0ec-aeee-11e7-8c18-0b11a775fd20.html
Reading comprehension fail. KU's records have not been subpoenaed. The FBI stated that it has documents related to KU's sponsorship agreement with Adidas. I assume that they have the sponsorship contract between Adidas and KU (and between Adidas and every school they have a contract with).

KU hss not received any requests from the FBI for information or documents.

READ WHAT YOU POST.
 
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So, the contract and other matters related to the Adidas/Ku relationship are not Ku records? Good lord.
No, they did not have to subpoena Kansas to get them is what I am saying. They investigated Adidas and the contracts are standard paperwork in their agreement with KU, not some proof of improper benefits as your fumbling accusation is attempting to convince us of. Having a piece of paper that says "KU" on it in the Adidas FBI file isn't some sign that the FBI is rolling up in front of Allen Fieldhouse in a fleet of black Suburbans.
 
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2 guys from Kansas arguing on an IOWA State message board? Seem weird to anyone else?

Also, I'm not getting my hopes up about the blue bloods dying a slow death over this.


Well, you could be on an Iowa message board where some think they'll be the best team in the country by default.
 

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2 guys from Kansas arguing on an IOWA State message board? Seem weird to anyone else?

Also, I'm not getting my hopes up about the blue bloods dying a slow death over this.
Living in Kansas, it doesn't surprise me at all. Those two fanbases argue as much as the two in Iowa. However, I'm not sure ISU and Iowa argue on Nebraska's forum?
 

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Media has been a large part of this black market fraud for a long time. They have ignored the obvious cheating going on at places like Ku and UK while minimizing it at North Carolina in the academic fraud case.

They build up stars like Trae Young, Roy Williams and John Calipari in Madison Avenue marketing campaigns designed solely to sell their product. ESPN and guys like Jay Bilas are the absolute definitions of hypocrites. They are all-in. It's their livelihood.
I agree. ESPN just pisses me off.
Did you ever watch their weekly(?) show called “Legends of the Game”? Roy Williams, boeheim, Carapeli, and The duke coach (spelling problem). All being glorified, while at least 3 of the 4 are proven cheaters. how about Dr Lou? Put 3 schools on probation. They glorify winners not integrity. Pitino was always a great coach to them too / what a scum bag.
 

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I agree. ESPN just pisses me off.
Did you ever watch their weekly(?) show called “Legends of the Game”? Roy Williams, boeheim, Carapeli, and The duke coach (spelling problem). All being glorified, while at least 3 of the 4 are proven cheaters. how about Dr Lou? Put 3 schools on probation. They glorify winners not integrity. Pitino was always a great coach to them too / what a scum bag.
Not to mention they love Bruce Pearl again. They gave him endless exposure on their networks during his suspension. He was on pregame and post game shows constantly as an analyst.
 
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