Yeah but that is the extent of his resume. Wins against KU and WVU when both have shown they are susceptible to home losses this year. There is no one that would be excited to have him over Weber.
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Yeah but that is the extent of his resume. Wins against KU and WVU when both have shown they are susceptible to home losses this year. There is no one that would be excited to have him over Weber.
Disagree. I think most would be more excited with him than Weber. With Weber, you know what you're getting. With Boyoton, there is the unknown which can be spun into a positive pretty easily.
Don’t let Trent Johnson’s coaching fool you. He inherited a program that had a good roster, and for several years had talent. It’s also a better recruiting situation due to location.
Smart has two seasons left to prove something in the Dance. He's out if he doesn't, and may be out after next season if they tank even further.
Maybe we should have ranked them based solely on this year's performance. That would make for an interesting conversation and a complete retool of everyone's lists, sans Self. Kruger may be at the bottom, presently. Woof!
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In the end he likely landed a top recruit and will have them back in the tournament. That’s good enough for OU.
But is Kruger slipping? Coaching is a perishable skill and circumstances change.
Kruger chose a pathway for Young that may not have been shared by Self, Hugs or others in this league. Lon has a way of letting the horse have his head, a free hand. But I don't believe it was the right way with Young, based on OU's record, unless the objective was simply to build a star. Prohm didn't manage his star freshman in that fashion. And think how Self might have used him on this Ku squad?
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Here's Athlon's ranking with a different twist.
Ranking the Big 12's Football-Basketball Coaching Duos for 2018
1. TCU
Football: Gary Patterson
Basketball: Jamie Dixon
Patterson is more than 100 games over .500 in his 16 years at TCU and has six league titles (one in C-USA, four in the Mountain West, one in the Big 12) on his résumé. Dixon led Pittsburgh to the NCAA Tournament 11 times in his 13 years at the school and has made TCU, his alma mater, nationally relevant in only his second year.
Related: Early Big 12 Football Predictions for 2018
2. West Virginia
Football: Dana Holgorsen
Basketball: Bob Huggins
Holgorsen has been good, but not great, in his six seasons at WVU. He went 7–2 in the Big 12 in 2016 and 5–4 last fall. The Mountaineers could contend for the league title in 2018. Huggins has enjoyed a remarkable — and underappreciated — career. He has had only two losing conference seasons in 32 years as a Division I head coach.
3. Oklahoma
Football: Lincoln Riley
Basketball: Lon Kruger
Riley (above, right) guided Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff in his first season as a head coach. His task now: Prove he can keep the Sooners among the nation’s elite programs. Kruger is the only coach in history to win an NCAA Tournament game at five schools (Kansas State, Florida, Illinois, UNLV and Oklahoma).
Related: Way-Too-Early College Football 130 Team Rankings for 2018
4. K-State
Football: Bill Snyder
Basketball: Bruce Weber
Snyder oversaw arguably the greatest reclamation project in the history of college football and will be remembered as one of the all-time greats. Weber is regarded as an outstanding coach and average recruiter. The Wildcats appear headed to the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in his six seasons at K-State.
5. Ku
Football: David Beaty
Basketball: Bill Self
Beaty is 3–33 in three seasons in charge of the KU football program. He will need to show some signs of progress in 2018 to remain on the job. Self, with 13 straight Big 12 titles, is one of the elite coaches in college basketball.
Related: College Football's Early Top 50 Players for 2018
6. Iowa State
Football: Matt Campbell
Basketball: Steve Prohm
The Cyclones were one of the most improved teams in the nation in Campbell’s second season, going 8–5 overall and 5–4 in the Big 12 (highlighted by a win at Oklahoma). The basketball program is rebuilding in 2017-18, but Prohm has kept Iowa State relevant in the Big 12 following in the footsteps of the wildly popular Fred Hoiberg.
7. Texas
Football: Tom Herman
Basketball: Shaka Smart
This pairing looks great on paper, but is more about potential at this point. Herman did a solid job in his first year at Texas, but the Longhorns still only went 7–6. Over the last two seasons, Herman’s teams are a combined 8–7 in league games (5–3 at Houston in 2016, 5–4 at Texas in ‘17). The basketball team is in danger of missing the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year after receiving a bid in 2016, Smart’s first season.
Related: Ranking the Big 12's Football Rosters for 2018
8. Texas Tech
Football: Kliff Kingsbury
Basketball: Chris Beard
Kingsbury has yet to record a winning record in the Big 12 or finish higher than a tie for fifth in the league standings in his five seasons at his alma mater. Beard is doing a tremendous job in his second season. He is an ideal fit in Lubbock.
9. Baylor
Football: Matt Rhule
Basketball: Scott Drew
Rhule did a tremendous job at Temple, winning 10 games in each of his final two seasons, but his first year at Baylor did not go well. The Bears went 1–11 overall and lost at home to both Liberty and UTSA. He is a good coach, but he must prove his success at Temple can translate to the Big 12. Drew’s Bears are making a late push to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. It would be Baylor’s fifth in a row and seventh in the last nine seasons.
10. Oklahoma State
Football: Mike Gundy
Basketball: Mike Boynton
Gundy’s success in league play might surprise you; he has a 69–42 record in Big 12 games in 13 seasons (and that includes a 1–7 mark in Year 1). The jury is still out on Boynton, who was hired to take over the basketball program after Brad Underwood bolted for Illinois after one season.
Ranking the Big 12's Football-Basketball Coaching Duos for 2018
1. TCU
Basketball: Jamie Dixon
Patterson is more than 100 games over .500 in his 16 years at TCU and has six league titles (one in C-USA, four in the Mountain West, one in the Big 12) on his résumé. Dixon led Pittsburgh to the NCAA Tournament 11 times in his 13 years at the school and has made TCU, his alma mater, nationally relevant in only his second year.
Related: Early Big 12 Football Predictions for 2018
2. West Virginia
Basketball: Bob Huggins
Holgorsen has been good, but not great, in his six seasons at WVU. He went 7–2 in the Big 12 in 2016 and 5–4 last fall. The Mountaineers could contend for the league title in 2018. Huggins has enjoyed a remarkable — and underappreciated — career. He has had only two losing conference seasons in 32 years as a Division I head coach.
3. Oklahoma
Basketball: Lon Kruger
Riley (above, right) guided Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff in his first season as a head coach. His task now: Prove he can keep the Sooners among the nation’s elite programs. Kruger is the only coach in history to win an NCAA Tournament game at five schools (Kansas State, Florida, Illinois, UNLV and Oklahoma).
Related: Way-Too-Early College Football 130 Team Rankings for 2018
4. K-State
Basketball: Bruce Weber
Snyder oversaw arguably the greatest reclamation project in the history of college football and will be remembered as one of the all-time greats. Weber is regarded as an outstanding coach and average recruiter. The Wildcats appear headed to the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in his six seasons at K-State.
5. Ku
Basketball: Bill Self
Beaty is 3–33 in three seasons in charge of the KU football program. He will need to show some signs of progress in 2018 to remain on the job. Self, with 13 straight Big 12 titles, is one of the elite coaches in college basketball.
Related: College Football's Early Top 50 Players for 2018
6. Iowa State
Basketball: Steve Prohm
The Cyclones were one of the most improved teams in the nation in Campbell’s second season, going 8–5 overall and 5–4 in the Big 12 (highlighted by a win at Oklahoma). The basketball program is rebuilding in 2017-18, but Prohm has kept Iowa State relevant in the Big 12 following in the footsteps of the wildly popular Fred Hoiberg.
7. Texas
Basketball: Shaka Smart
This pairing looks great on paper, but is more about potential at this point. Herman did a solid job in his first year at Texas, but the Longhorns still only went 7–6. Over the last two seasons, Herman’s teams are a combined 8–7 in league games (5–3 at Houston in 2016, 5–4 at Texas in ‘17). The basketball team is in danger of missing the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year after receiving a bid in 2016, Smart’s first season.
Related: Ranking the Big 12's Football Rosters for 2018
8. Texas Tech
Basketball: Chris Beard
Kingsbury has yet to record a winning record in the Big 12 or finish higher than a tie for fifth in the league standings in his five seasons at his alma mater. Beard is doing a tremendous job in his second season. He is an ideal fit in Lubbock.
9. Baylor
Basketball: Scott Drew
Rhule did a tremendous job at Temple, winning 10 games in each of his final two seasons, but his first year at Baylor did not go well. The Bears went 1–11 overall and lost at home to both Liberty and UTSA. He is a good coach, but he must prove his success at Temple can translate to the Big 12. Drew’s Bears are making a late push to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. It would be Baylor’s fifth in a row and seventh in the last nine seasons.
10. Oklahoma State
Basketball: Mike Boynton
Gundy’s success in league play might surprise you; he has a 69–42 record in Big 12 games in 13 seasons (and that includes a 1–7 mark in Year 1). The jury is still out on Boynton, who was hired to take over the basketball program after Brad Underwood bolted for Illinois after one season.
Man, crazy that they ranked OSU 10th.Here's Athlon's ranking with a different twist.
Ranking the Big 12's Football-Basketball Coaching Duos for 2018
1. TCU
Football: Gary Patterson
Basketball: Jamie Dixon
Patterson is more than 100 games over .500 in his 16 years at TCU and has six league titles (one in C-USA, four in the Mountain West, one in the Big 12) on his résumé. Dixon led Pittsburgh to the NCAA Tournament 11 times in his 13 years at the school and has made TCU, his alma mater, nationally relevant in only his second year.
Related: Early Big 12 Football Predictions for 2018
2. West Virginia
Football: Dana Holgorsen
Basketball: Bob Huggins
Holgorsen has been good, but not great, in his six seasons at WVU. He went 7–2 in the Big 12 in 2016 and 5–4 last fall. The Mountaineers could contend for the league title in 2018. Huggins has enjoyed a remarkable — and underappreciated — career. He has had only two losing conference seasons in 32 years as a Division I head coach.
3. Oklahoma
Football: Lincoln Riley
Basketball: Lon Kruger
Riley (above, right) guided Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff in his first season as a head coach. His task now: Prove he can keep the Sooners among the nation’s elite programs. Kruger is the only coach in history to win an NCAA Tournament game at five schools (Kansas State, Florida, Illinois, UNLV and Oklahoma).
Related: Way-Too-Early College Football 130 Team Rankings for 2018
4. K-State
Football: Bill Snyder
Basketball: Bruce Weber
Snyder oversaw arguably the greatest reclamation project in the history of college football and will be remembered as one of the all-time greats. Weber is regarded as an outstanding coach and average recruiter. The Wildcats appear headed to the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in his six seasons at K-State.
5. Ku
Football: David Beaty
Basketball: Bill Self
Beaty is 3–33 in three seasons in charge of the KU football program. He will need to show some signs of progress in 2018 to remain on the job. Self, with 13 straight Big 12 titles, is one of the elite coaches in college basketball.
Related: College Football's Early Top 50 Players for 2018
6. Iowa State
Football: Matt Campbell
Basketball: Steve Prohm
The Cyclones were one of the most improved teams in the nation in Campbell’s second season, going 8–5 overall and 5–4 in the Big 12 (highlighted by a win at Oklahoma). The basketball program is rebuilding in 2017-18, but Prohm has kept Iowa State relevant in the Big 12 following in the footsteps of the wildly popular Fred Hoiberg.
7. Texas
Football: Tom Herman
Basketball: Shaka Smart
This pairing looks great on paper, but is more about potential at this point. Herman did a solid job in his first year at Texas, but the Longhorns still only went 7–6. Over the last two seasons, Herman’s teams are a combined 8–7 in league games (5–3 at Houston in 2016, 5–4 at Texas in ‘17). The basketball team is in danger of missing the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year after receiving a bid in 2016, Smart’s first season.
Related: Ranking the Big 12's Football Rosters for 2018
8. Texas Tech
Football: Kliff Kingsbury
Basketball: Chris Beard
Kingsbury has yet to record a winning record in the Big 12 or finish higher than a tie for fifth in the league standings in his five seasons at his alma mater. Beard is doing a tremendous job in his second season. He is an ideal fit in Lubbock.
9. Baylor
Football: Matt Rhule
Basketball: Scott Drew
Rhule did a tremendous job at Temple, winning 10 games in each of his final two seasons, but his first year at Baylor did not go well. The Bears went 1–11 overall and lost at home to both Liberty and UTSA. He is a good coach, but he must prove his success at Temple can translate to the Big 12. Drew’s Bears are making a late push to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. It would be Baylor’s fifth in a row and seventh in the last nine seasons.
10. Oklahoma State
Football: Mike Gundy
Basketball: Mike Boynton
Gundy’s success in league play might surprise you; he has a 69–42 record in Big 12 games in 13 seasons (and that includes a 1–7 mark in Year 1). The jury is still out on Boynton, who was hired to take over the basketball program after Brad Underwood bolted for Illinois after one season.
Gundy is a great football coach, and Boynton has done a tremendous job with that basketball team.
Shaka Smart is completely out of his league. It was dumbfounding watching his offense last night, as Bamba circled around the three-point line like a Sandhill Crane and their other big, Osetkowski, kept jacking treys. Running off Barnes was a huge error. Hiring Shaka an even larger one.
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Yeah, he has no clue what to do on the offensive end. Imagine Bamba with a good coach.
I'm sure you meant freshmen, as in Wiggy and Lard. CSP will have them ready next year and both have a shot at 1st team All-Big12.
It doesn't get mentioned enough just how bad UT blew the hirings of Smart and Strong. Both good mid major guys but in over their heads in the p5. Strong was a bad hire from the get go (He rode Teddy Bridgewater to Austin) but Smart seemed like a home run. I thought he would excel.
Beaty owes Bill a beer after this ranking.Here's Athlon's ranking with a different twist.
Ranking the Big 12's Football-Basketball Coaching Duos for 2018
1. TCU
Football: Gary Patterson
Basketball: Jamie Dixon
Patterson is more than 100 games over .500 in his 16 years at TCU and has six league titles (one in C-USA, four in the Mountain West, one in the Big 12) on his résumé. Dixon led Pittsburgh to the NCAA Tournament 11 times in his 13 years at the school and has made TCU, his alma mater, nationally relevant in only his second year.
Related: Early Big 12 Football Predictions for 2018
2. West Virginia
Football: Dana Holgorsen
Basketball: Bob Huggins
Holgorsen has been good, but not great, in his six seasons at WVU. He went 7–2 in the Big 12 in 2016 and 5–4 last fall. The Mountaineers could contend for the league title in 2018. Huggins has enjoyed a remarkable — and underappreciated — career. He has had only two losing conference seasons in 32 years as a Division I head coach.
3. Oklahoma
Football: Lincoln Riley
Basketball: Lon Kruger
Riley (above, right) guided Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff in his first season as a head coach. His task now: Prove he can keep the Sooners among the nation’s elite programs. Kruger is the only coach in history to win an NCAA Tournament game at five schools (Kansas State, Florida, Illinois, UNLV and Oklahoma).
Related: Way-Too-Early College Football 130 Team Rankings for 2018
4. K-State
Football: Bill Snyder
Basketball: Bruce Weber
Snyder oversaw arguably the greatest reclamation project in the history of college football and will be remembered as one of the all-time greats. Weber is regarded as an outstanding coach and average recruiter. The Wildcats appear headed to the NCAA Tournament for the fourth time in his six seasons at K-State.
5. Ku
Football: David Beaty
Basketball: Bill Self
Beaty is 3–33 in three seasons in charge of the KU football program. He will need to show some signs of progress in 2018 to remain on the job. Self, with 13 straight Big 12 titles, is one of the elite coaches in college basketball.
Related: College Football's Early Top 50 Players for 2018
6. Iowa State
Football: Matt Campbell
Basketball: Steve Prohm
The Cyclones were one of the most improved teams in the nation in Campbell’s second season, going 8–5 overall and 5–4 in the Big 12 (highlighted by a win at Oklahoma). The basketball program is rebuilding in 2017-18, but Prohm has kept Iowa State relevant in the Big 12 following in the footsteps of the wildly popular Fred Hoiberg.
7. Texas
Football: Tom Herman
Basketball: Shaka Smart
This pairing looks great on paper, but is more about potential at this point. Herman did a solid job in his first year at Texas, but the Longhorns still only went 7–6. Over the last two seasons, Herman’s teams are a combined 8–7 in league games (5–3 at Houston in 2016, 5–4 at Texas in ‘17). The basketball team is in danger of missing the NCAA Tournament for the second straight year after receiving a bid in 2016, Smart’s first season.
Related: Ranking the Big 12's Football Rosters for 2018
8. Texas Tech
Football: Kliff Kingsbury
Basketball: Chris Beard
Kingsbury has yet to record a winning record in the Big 12 or finish higher than a tie for fifth in the league standings in his five seasons at his alma mater. Beard is doing a tremendous job in his second season. He is an ideal fit in Lubbock.
9. Baylor
Football: Matt Rhule
Basketball: Scott Drew
Rhule did a tremendous job at Temple, winning 10 games in each of his final two seasons, but his first year at Baylor did not go well. The Bears went 1–11 overall and lost at home to both Liberty and UTSA. He is a good coach, but he must prove his success at Temple can translate to the Big 12. Drew’s Bears are making a late push to receive an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament. It would be Baylor’s fifth in a row and seventh in the last nine seasons.
10. Oklahoma State
Football: Mike Gundy
Basketball: Mike Boynton
Gundy’s success in league play might surprise you; he has a 69–42 record in Big 12 games in 13 seasons (and that includes a 1–7 mark in Year 1). The jury is still out on Boynton, who was hired to take over the basketball program after Brad Underwood bolted for Illinois after one season.
