ISU Student and Champion Golfer Celia Barquin Arozamena Murdered at Coldwater Golf Course

[CtownCyclone]

National golf media and PGA Tour players (Johnson, Fleetwood) are talking about this now. I don't know what that really has to do with anything but the story will be big.

It's right at the top of BBC's website. Yeah, it's big.

 

[Doc]

Good ol' 'murican compassion right here.

Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.

 

[1100011CS]

Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. But set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.

Is it bad that this made me lol?

 

[TXCyclones]

What does it being a deterrent matter? Do you think he believed life in prison to be a deterrent?

How does society benefit in a scenario like this by supporting a person behind bars for decades?

Re-read the question I posed as it wasn't asked as a deterrent to the thoughts of this killer. But your question proves the point of my question that harsh punishment, regardless of what the punishment might be, rarely enters into the mind of someone who commits this type of crime.

How does society benefit in the scenario he's put to the death penalty?

 

[BryceC]

This is the kind of reactionary decision-making process that leads to poor policy. This is a complex problem and the solution will not be simple, but probably complex.

Also, as human beings we always want to find a solution. Sometimes, there's just sick people who can't be helped and the crime could not have reasonably been avoided. Life doesn't always make sense. Some decisions people make are irrational.

I'm not saying that's the case here, as it may have been preventable if the facts suggest so, but it is too early to say and too early to conclude the problem was nearby homeless camps that need to be bulldozed. Your suggestion implies bulldozing them would have prevented this crime.

Regardless, so, so sad and tragic. Heartbreaking.

I agree moving the homeless camps is kicking the can down the road.

However, we are talking about young and vulnerable people being in close proximity with people we all agree have a high rate of mental illness and substance abuse issues. People we're trying to attract to a community where we expect them to be safe and taken care of.

There is precisely zero reason to allow a hobo encampment that close to campus. None. It should be at the very least moved. If I was a student or a parent I would demand it.

 

[TXCyclones]

Hammurabi isn't old testament.

Actually... While his name isn't mentioned in the Old Testament most scholars attribute Moses' commandments to have primarily been those of Hammurabi. And an-eye-for-an-eye is undoubtedly Old Testament.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Until they leave and go where? Your view is so myopic it's disturbing.

Don't care. Maybe they'll get sick of living life on the run and stop being losers.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

National golf media and PGA Tour players (Johnson, Fleetwood) are talking about this now. I don't know what that really has to do with anything but the story will be big.

you can probably count on one hand the number of women killed while golfing in broad daylight in the history of golf.

 

[TXCyclones]

Don't care. Maybe they'll get sick of living life on the run and stop being losers.

Sure, because that's exactly how it works...

 

[Cycsk]

Ames has long had a transient homeless population. In 92 when I waited tables I had a whole bunch of cash that in my place on the weekend until the bank opened on Monday. Needless to say, my place was broken into and my cash taken, and the Ames police said they knew who did it because they arrested a couple homeless men who said there were guys flashing hundreds of dollars in ones and fives at the camp, but had since jumped the rails. They said they were known to follow food servers and strippers because we had lots of cash at the time, and that I should not walk home after work anymore. That was 1992. Needless to say, I started dropping overnight deposits at the bank and getting rides home.

Glad you are okay. As we have seen, it could have been much worse.

 

[TXCyclones]

you can probably count on one FINGER the number of women killed while golfing in broad daylight in the history of golf.

FIFY

 

[harimad]

For someone who was presumably homeless? I don't think either one will be that intimidating of a punishment for him.

A 3' x 6' x 3' cell would work though.

 

[Sparkplug]

I’m mourning for this young woman that we have lost and for the university campus that I knew in the ‘70s

I don’t recall feeling unsafe and was able to enjoy walking and biking the beautiful campus without fear

 

[FinalFourCy]

Don't care. Maybe they'll get sick of living life on the run and stop being losers.

Just as likely the degenerate ones say **** it, and completely give into their degenerate impulses. The ones that weren’t broken, may become so and turn to primal means of providing for themselves.

I’m not against redistribution, or even making it another community’s problem, but taking everything from someone that already had little rarely results in a positive change in behavior.

 

[CyTwins]

 

[madguy30]

Don't care. Maybe they'll get sick of living life on the run and stop being losers.

The only hope for you is that you experience the same type of lifestyle some day.

It would be well deserved.

 

[bagdropper]

Stopped by to say...tragic, horrible story and condolences to the entire ISU family and the girl's family.

Just...appalling.

 

[bawbie]

Looks like the football team is wearing yellow and asking fans to wear yellow this weekend in honor of Celia:

 

[Trice]

I agree moving the homeless camps is kicking the can down the road.

However, we are talking about young and vulnerable people being in close proximity with people we all agree have a high rate of mental illness and substance abuse issues. People we're trying to attract to a community where we expect them to be safe and taken care of.

There is precisely zero reason to allow a hobo encampment that close to campus. None. It should be at the very least moved. If I was a student or a parent I would demand it.

I completely get where you're coming from, but where do you move homeless people so they aren't a danger to anyone? Whose lives do you prioritize? Because in this scenario you're saying that homeless people should be kept away from college kids but moving them will inevitably get them closer to elementary school kids, or senior citizens, or some other population.

It's not unlike that psychiatric hospital Mercy wants to build in Clive. Everybody agrees on two things: 1) it's necessary and will fill a need in the community, and 2) it should be built by someone else's house, not mine.

 

[mdk2isu]

Re-read the question I posed as it wasn't asked as a deterrent to the thoughts of this killer. But your question proves the point of my question that harsh punishment, regardless of what the punishment might be, rarely enters into the mind of someone who commits this type of crime.

How does society benefit in the scenario he's put to the death penalty?

Not spending thousands of dollars a year on him for the next 50-70 years would be a benefit to society. Not to mention not having to potentially deal with him when he comes up for parole/early release for good behavior.

Not saying that the death penalty is the answer, but I can see the benefit in a case like this.