The offense has zero identity

[FinalFourCy]

Season ticket sales were down this year, and there will be plenty available next year. Feel free to get more of your friends to buy them.

It is looking like losing our OC and OLine coach, when we did, has really hindered the development of our offense.

Wait, season ticket sales are down after having the highest scoring offense of the last 20 years? Further proof that your contention about the offense and attendance is largely nonsense. Maybe it has more to do with the schedule, and not having UNI and Iowa at home.

Did you not pay attention to the end of last season with an OC and OL coach? We made a bad Memphis defense look good. And that was with Lazard and Campos rather than a walkon guard and freshman center in his second game. Luckily the Memphis offense and ST helped us out, which is largely the plan behind an offense that prioritizes minimizing mistakes.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I picked those years because that was the example given that I was replying too. Care to pick some different years to discuss?

We had cell phones back in '04/'05 as well. If you are going to try and slam someone at least get your technology correct and say "smartphones".

JP has done a lot to fix ISU's finances, build up a reserve, has been smart in improving facilities across all sports. Equal revenue sharing and a good media contract has helped a lot with that. Nothing for ISU fans to be embarrassed about there. CMC is punching well above our weight on the recruiting trail. Nothing to be embarrassed about there. National media buzz from the OU and TCU wins last year has to be followed up with sustained success this year if we want to keep it. The TOE game really threw a wet blanket on that this year. Still time to recover but it is going to take our offense stepping up and matching our defense and special teams play.

Season ticket sales were down this year, and there will be plenty available next year. Feel free to get more of your friends to buy them. No need to wait for me to sell my season tickets because if I hung in there through all those lean years I am not about to sell them now unless something outside of football happens in my life that prevents me from getting them. I do know many people who are questioning the amount of time and money they are investing in going to games. It is a trend across all of college football and it is going to take more than just grinding out wins to keep people coming back.

It is looking like losing our OC and OLine coach, when we did, has really hindered the development of our offense.

Gundy has a really good offensive mind but it was not until he gave up play calling duties that Okie State was able to take that next step and become a program that consistently is winning 9 or 10 games a year. I hope CMC is putting out feelers to get a good replacement OC next year. I like CMC as the head of our program but our offense is going to need someone solely focused on that area instead of time sharing head coaching duties with OC duties for us to continue to improve and sustain success. I would rather see us follow the success that OSU has experienced instead of what KSU has experienced.

You have a huge capital investment to get the all rolling? That’s what happened there.

Okie State was, and still is, a stepping stone job. Gundy went there so he’s stuck around, but he also looked at jobs the last few years

 

[DarkStar]

Great go back to Seneca and Sage, that's even more contradictory to your contention. What was the attendance then vs the past 5 years? What does the yearly attendance chart look like since we last had an offensive identity and high water mark?

So JP fired DMac because of his style of play having an impact on attendance, then we proceed to generally have even worse offenses and records for nearly 10 years, and attendance goes up greatly. You see how silly you are being?

Attendance is going up because of a myriad of factors, none of which are because of the style of offense. Things like going from smaller Iowa State College to Iowa State University having an enrollment of over 35k, tailgating being ingrained in that growing fanbase, the bump in passion of ISU athletics from success in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's, growing metro area, etc.

You were the one that said '05 was our offensive high water mark not me. S and S years were the last time I remember tailgaters being excited about our offense. Just punching holes in others saying if we keep winning no matter how we do it will keep the fans showing up. Attendance has not tracked with winning. Attendance has tracked with JP doing multiple things to get fans into the stadium and all he has been selling is hope. There are some demographic things going on in the state that is helping us but if all we are trying to do is play Big 10 football then you can expect our attendance to decline just like the TOE.

 

[CycloneVet]

The reality that most people don't want to accept is that CMC wants to build this team in the mold of a big ten team. I don't think its supposed to be flashy.

I agree and I'm fine with that. It's the best way we can neutralize these high powered offenses. They have already built a defense that can slow down big 12 offenses.

 

[DarkStar]

You have a huge capital investment to get the all rolling? That’s what happened there.

Okie State was, and still is, a stepping stone job. Gundy went there so he’s stuck around, but he also looked at jobs the last few years

Gundy takes interviews because that is what he has to do to get a pay raise. Their AD is an idiot. He is not going anywhere and will be happy to retire at OSU.

 

[DarkStar]

I agree and I'm fine with that. It's the best way we can neutralize these high powered offenses. They have already built a defense that can slow down big 12 offenses.

Time to build an offense that can take advantage of Big 12 defenses. The two are not mutually exclusive. Getting a big enough lead in a game is another way to force a team to go one dimensional and makes it easier on our defense.

 

[Cat Stevens]

You were the one that said '05 was our offensive high water mark not me. S and S years were the last time I remember tailgaters being excited about our offense. Just punching holes in others saying if we keep winning no matter how we do it will keep the fans showing up. Attendance has not tracked with winning. Attendance has tracked with JP doing multiple things to get fans into the stadium and all he has been selling is hope. There are some demographic things going on in the state that is helping us but if all we are trying to do is play Big 10 football then you can expect our attendance to decline just like the TOE.

Johnny Orr was the coach at Iowa State for 14 years. He played a fast pace style of basketball, and filled Hilton.

Tim Floyd came in, and his second and third years they won games 50-48. Yet Hilton was still full because they won.

Iowa lost attendance because they play a **** schedule and yet still go 8-4 at best. And they lose games the same way over and over. When the horseshoe was jammed up their asses and they won 10 games, the stands are full

 

[Cat Stevens]

Gundy takes interviews because that is what he has to do to get a pay raise. Their AD is an idiot. He is not going anywhere and will be happy to retire at OSU.

Cool then you should have no problem changing allegiance then

 

[FinalFourCy]

You were the one that said '05 was our offensive high water mark not me. S and S years were the last time I remember tailgaters being excited about our offense. Just punching holes in others saying if we keep winning no matter how we do it will keep the fans showing up. Attendance has not tracked with winning. Attendance has tracked with JP doing multiple things to get fans into the stadium and all he has been selling is hope. There are some demographic things going on in the state that is helping us but if all we are trying to do is play Big 10 football then you can expect our attendance to decline just like the TOE.

Find me a year between last year and 2005 that was higher. Even better find me a time in which our attendance has been higher than the last 5 years, and prove it was due to the offense we ran. You can't, which of course is because your premise of attendance and offense is completely anecdotal in nature at best, but more likely just complete bull-****.

Our style of offense will have very, very little impact on attendance.

 

[cyclones500]

Lastly...It is clear we have talent at the RB position..for the life of me i dont get why we dont come out in a 2 back set on occasion..THere is so much u can do with 2 backs in the backfield and it keeps the LB’s honest.

I'd like to see that, too. Maybe in something like second-and-5 situation, allows play-action to one of the RBs and throw, either to the other RB or upfield. Also could add a dynamic inside the 10-yard line. And could add a traditional "lead-blocker fullback" for short yardage situations.

 

[CyCloned]

I have complete confidence Campbell will fix it next year but he made a huge mistake not hiring someone who could have significant input in the offense. It didn't have to be an OC, but they needed an offensive mind on the staff. I'm not sure there is one right now. Nothing is cohesive and it seems like things are just thrown at the wall.

Two things are at play. ISU lost their OC and OL coach when Manning left. I am still not convinced that hiring a grad asst. was the right move. Maybe he should have gone after the OL coach at Toledo to keep his continuity.

 

[madguy30]

Didn't read the whole thread, and didn't even see the game, but so far under CMC it's taken until October for a real team identity to start to develop so we'll see what happens over the next two weeks.

It's a good thing to have the defense be the anchor for the team and hopefully the offensive side can get things figured out.

 

[moforisu]

Surprised to see Campbell think we are getting a run identity and the O line is pushing vertical. DM for the most part got his 100 yds on his own. Some plays Montgomery barely got the ball before the defender got there. On to TCU and hope O line improves.

 

[DarkStar]

Johnny Orr was the coach at Iowa State for 14 years. He played a fast pace style of basketball, and filled Hilton.

Tim Floyd came in, and his second and third years they won games 50-48. Yet Hilton was still full because they won.

Iowa lost attendance because they play a **** schedule and yet still go 8-4 at best. And they lose games the same way over and over. When the horseshoe was jammed up their asses and they won 10 games, the stands are full

You and I have two completely different memories of Coach Orr's teams and their style of play. I think you are confusing them with Fred's teams.

People came out to watch Johnny's teams because he was a master at getting the crowd pumped up. Walking into Hilton with "Here"s Johnny" circling the court doing fist pumps until he felt the crowd was sufficiently worked up. When the crowd got dead he would always do something to get them worked up and back into the game. I even remember one time he called a time out. Never once talked to the team during the timeout but went around the court doing fist pumps to get the fans fired up. Johnny was a master at it.

Hilton magic started when Johnny would take a team on the road and get run out of their gym and then a couple weeks later, at Hilton, we would pull off a few point win. Why, because the home crowd was that rowdy, awesome, and fun to be a part of. That was why people started showing up at Hilton for games. Timmy the great had his own style but by then the crowd was completely into its routine. It took Morgan and McD's complete lack of showmanship to kill off Hilton magic. At least until Fred came back and breathed life back into it.

Don't worry about me switching allegiance to a different program because even idiot fans like you can not drive me off.

Have a Nice Day!

 

[ghettocowboy4cy]

Go out and get Steve Loney for the O-Line maybe he can still work magic....

 

[SolarGarlic]

Every fan base has their idiots. Actually closer to two decades we have had idiot fans crying out demanding we imitate Snyder. For almost two decades I have been calling them out and also mocking purple kitty fans for that style of play and way of thinking.

"Snyder is the greatest coach ever because he does more with less." Saying "Snyder should be in the Hall of Fame because he managed to win two conference championships" (in two years when the conference was way down) in twenty years of trying is basically saying Manhattan is such a hell hole that only the greatest coach ever in the history of college football could achieve that moderate level of success.

I thank God every day I am not a purple kitty fan and have to hang my hat on that. President Park and his administration really nuked our football program by cutting off financial support. It has taken decades to rebuild our program to a point where we can be competitive. I am not going to set my standards so low that Snyder ball is the goal. ISU and Ames is way better than that.

And for the record, CMC is not trying to mold our program in the image of the purple kitties. Chris did an interview with CMC this summer and asked him to list coaches and programs he looks at when trying to build one here. Snyder and the purple kitties was not on that list.

You like listening to yourself?

I thought that post was going to be the dumbest post in this thread, but I see that you said that the coach's showmanship is what really drives Hilton Magic. LOL. We all know how much of a showman Fred Hoiberg was.

Mac was fired because the program had stalled, and he failed to capitalize on two opportunities to win the North. His teams were not competitive with the best programs in the conference. It had nothing to do with the offensive style of his teams. He didn't win enough games. That's what matters.

Have you ever met any Iowa State fans? You think we're going to stop going to games if we're winning? So much dumb. Your perception of Iowa State athletics doesn't seem to reflect reality. Maybe one too many Dark Stars?

 

[HitItHard58]

You and I have two completely different memories of Coach Orr's teams and their style of play. I think you are confusing them with Fred's teams.

People came out to watch Johnny's teams because he was a master at getting the crowd pumped up. Walking into Hilton with "Here"s Johnny" circling the court doing fist pumps until he felt the crowd was sufficiently worked up. When the crowd got dead he would always do something to get them worked up and back into the game. I even remember one time he called a time out. Never once talked to the team during the timeout but went around the court doing fist pumps to get the fans fired up. Johnny was a master at it.

Hilton magic started when Johnny would take a team on the road and get run out of their gym and then a couple weeks later, at Hilton, we would pull off a few point win. Why, because the home crowd was that rowdy, awesome, and fun to be a part of. That was why people started showing up at Hilton for games. Timmy the great had his own style but by then the crowd was completely into its routine. It took Morgan and McD's complete lack of showmanship to kill off Hilton magic. At least until Fred came back and breathed life back into it.

Don't worry about me switching allegiance to a different program because even idiot fans like you can not drive me off.

Have a Nice Day!

Calling anybody and everybody an idiot while consistently posting idiotic ****.

 

[SolarGarlic]

DarkStar has been sticking it to the Purple Kitty fans for years about their offensive style while they've completely owned us on the field. But they are the idiots.

 

[twojman]

Go out and get Steve Loney for the O-Line maybe he can still work magic....

I know Steve is a name that keeps getting brought up a lot by some of us old timers but I wonder if just hiring him as an offensive analyst would help. Technically not a coach but adding that kind of knowledge, experience and wisdom could be huge.

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/201...e-manpower-and-brainpower-to-football-powers/

 

[CyCloned]

I know Steve is a name that keeps getting brought up a lot by some of us old timers but I wonder if just hiring him as an offensive analyst would help. Technically not a coach but adding that kind of knowledge, experience and wisdom could be huge.

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/201...e-manpower-and-brainpower-to-football-powers/

So we could be like Bama? I think it is actually a really good idea, but not sure CMC would want to bring in Loney, as he seems to want people that are from his coaching chain. IE, promoting the GA to OL coach.