What happened to the Defense?

cyrocksmypants

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Really? So every guy that ISU has recruited for the past 3 years was recruited to play in a 3 man front, even though they have only been using it for a year and a half?

The three man front is great for most teams in the Big 12, but teams like KSU, TX, and Iowa like to run between the tackles with big backs, and it just becomes a physical mismatch.

You realize we have the number 1 run defense in the conference, and the #18 best run defense in all of college football, right?
 

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You realize we have the number 1 run defense in the conference, and the #18 best run defense in all of college football, right?

So, I guess there is nothing to be concerned about when teams like KSU and Baylor roll up 500 yards of offense on ISU? The ISU defense has not been anywhere as good as it was at the beginning of the year. They made the KSU QB look like Tom Brady for 3 quarters.
 

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So, I guess there is nothing to be concerned about when teams like KSU and Baylor roll up 500 yards of offense on ISU? The ISU defense has not been anywhere as good as it was at the beginning of the year. They made the KSU QB look like Tom Brady for 3 quarters.

The key isn’t a 4 man front, it’s Heacock bringing pressure consistently, which he didn’t do until the 4th quarter.
 

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So, I guess there is nothing to be concerned about when teams like KSU and Baylor roll up 500 yards of offense on ISU? The ISU defense has not been anywhere as good as it was at the beginning of the year. They made the KSU QB look like Tom Brady for 3 quarters.

We won both of those games. We have had some injuries. Teams have lots of film on the Defensive scheme we were running. We need to continue to dial up the pressure with the blitzes. That was the key last night.
 
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Really? So every guy that ISU has recruited for the past 3 years was recruited to play in a 3 man front, even though they have only been using it for a year and a half?

The three man front is great for most teams in the Big 12, but teams like KSU, TX, and Iowa like to run between the tackles with big backs, and it just becomes a physical mismatch.

I would love johnson and lima in the middle. Would be like a brick wall.
 
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Our play calling on defense was bizarre. The only time we aggressively blitzed in the 1st half was towards the end if the 2nd quarter and it resulted in back to back sacks. It was pretty much the only time we stopped them.

Then it's like we forgot about it for the entire 3rd quarter....even after getting gashed play after play. Point being, it nearly cost us the game. We should have beat them comfortably by two touchdowns. It seemed like we were too scared of Snyder to blitz and waited too long to do so until we had no choice.

Like I said, bizarre.
 
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I would like to see them at least roll out a 4-3 for a series or two just to see how it works and give other teams something else to prepare for.
Lining up in a 4-3 look actually makes it easier for the offense to make the right reads. The reason that our stack defense is so effective is that the pre-snap look can always be the same, but at the snap it can morph into a 3, 4, 5, or even 6 man front. The QB and OL don't get a good read on where the pressure is coming from.

We don't have enough elite level defenders to line up in a standard 4-3 or 3-4 and consistently beat you one-on-one. We need 11 guys working together in a scheme like we us to always keep the offense guessing on what coverage and pressure package is coming at them.
 

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I would love johnson and lima in the middle. Would be like a brick wall.

I would to. Guys like
The key isn’t a 4 man front, it’s Heacock bringing pressure consistently, which he didn’t do until the 4th quarter.

But if they had Johnson and Lima in the line than Bailey would not have 2 OL on him, which would also create pressure. I will agree that they needed to do something against KSU, because they were getting handled pretty badly by a team that scored 17 against KU.
 
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I would to. Guys like


But if they had Johnson and Lima in the line than Bailey would not have 2 OL on him, which would also create pressure. I will agree that they needed to do something against KSU, because they were getting handled pretty badly by a team that scored 17 against KU.

Johnson is typically our pass rushing DT and Lima is our run defense DT. Johnson likely wouldn’t be in on rushing downs in most 4-3 situations and Lima wouldn’t be in on most passing downs.
 
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Really? So every guy that ISU has recruited for the past 3 years was recruited to play in a 3 man front, even though they have only been using it for a year and a half?

The three man front is great for most teams in the Big 12, but teams like KSU, TX, and Iowa like to run between the tackles with big backs, and it just becomes a physical mismatch.

It does if you don't add guys to the box. That's been our problem lately, I think. Trying to stop physical running attacks while giving up numbers.
 

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Lining up in a 4-3 look actually makes it easier for the offense to make the right reads. The reason that our stack defense is so effective is that the pre-snap look can always be the same, but at the snap it can morph into a 3, 4, 5, or even 6 man front. The QB and OL don't get a good read on where the pressure is coming from.

We don't have enough elite level defenders to line up in a standard 4-3 or 3-4 and consistently beat you one-on-one. We need 11 guys working together in a scheme like we us to always keep the offense guessing on what coverage and pressure package is coming at them.
Makes sense - so with the NFL going with more RPO and Air Raid offense it would seem we wouldn't lose Heacock to another college but to the pros.
 

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It does if you don't add guys to the box. That's been our problem lately, I think. Trying to stop physical running attacks while giving up numbers.

I also think ISU would rather give up a few rushing yards as long as it's not huge chunks and they're able to keep the QB uncomfortable.

Been the exception lately though.
 

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Our play calling on defense was bizarre. The only time we aggressively blitzed in the 1st half was towards the end if the 2nd quarter and it resulted in back to back sacks. It was pretty much the only time we stopped them.

Then it's like we forgot about it for the entire 3rd quarter....even after getting gashed play after play. Point being, it nearly cost us the game. We should have beat them comfortably by two touchdowns. It seemed like we were too scared of Snyder to blitz and waited too long to do so until we had no choice.

Like I said, bizarre.
I don't know anything but I think this defense is at its best when it's aggressive but by not bringing pressure all the time is what causes offenses problems. If the defense brought pressure every play then the offense will just adjust and keep extra blockers. Also can't bring pressure when it's 2nd short which happened alot in the first 3 quarters.
 

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Lining up in a 4-3 look actually makes it easier for the offense to make the right reads. The reason that our stack defense is so effective is that the pre-snap look can always be the same, but at the snap it can morph into a 3, 4, 5, or even 6 man front. The QB and OL don't get a good read on where the pressure is coming from.

We don't have enough elite level defenders to line up in a standard 4-3 or 3-4 and consistently beat you one-on-one. We need 11 guys working together in a scheme like we us to always keep the offense guessing on what coverage and pressure package is coming at them.

That's all well and good, but the scheme isn't stopping the run the last few games and it seems to be getting worse. So what is the adjustment then to stop the run?
 

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I will mention that K-State has one of the best (and most experienced) OL’s in the Big XII. Risner seems a sure first-rounder, and Bruns was raving about their right guard.

Whoever that was. Presumably not Risner.
 
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