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What does everyone see Terrence Lewis's role being this year?

Probably a cross between Tyrus Mcgee and Ray Allen but humble enough to only play 3 minutes per game. jimlad

As I said earlier I think him and Talley are going to be fighting for scraps. Halliburton's defense is too good not to have out there right now IMO and I don't see us having many minutes available deeper than 8 on this team. The way I see it right now we are 8 quality guys deep with an open spot for 9 if Talley or Lewis can prove themselves useful.

That being said, he still has December to prove himself. Outside of Iowa, the competition isn't great that month. With Solo out and Wiggington on the mend he should get some run. If he can play at the SDSU level more consistently he could buy himself some minutes over Talley and take some from others.
 

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Good point, but I think there is one key difference between somebody like Dustin Hogue or Melvin Ejim and Cameron Lard -- outside shooting.

Hogue and Ejim were not great shooters, but they were credibly threats from the outside. You had to guard them out there, and many of the forwards guarding them in that area were unused to playing away from the basket and liable to get driven by.

"Inverting the offense" for that team meant leaving the lane wide open for Kane to drive or Niang to go to work one-on-one against some poor sap.

With Jacobson, we can play five-out like that. Nobody is falling for it if Cameron starts wandering away from the basket, on the other hand.

Your analogy of Niang/McKay is correct. McKay hurt Georges on offense, though, for cluttering up the lane and forcing him to play outside more as a junior and senior.

You are right, our spacing so far this year has been outstanding. I think we are fine when Lard returns, as long as we don't try to play with two of Talley/Lard/Young on the floor at the same time. We've done fine with Conditt on the floor withe two shooters - including running Conditt in the PNR (he rolls hard)
 

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Good point, but I think there is one key difference between somebody like Dustin Hogue or Melvin Ejim and Cameron Lard -- outside shooting.

Hogue and Ejim were not great shooters, but they were credibly threats from the outside. You had to guard them out there, and many of the forwards guarding them in that area were unused to playing away from the basket and liable to get driven by.

"Inverting the offense" for that team meant leaving the lane wide open for Kane to drive or Niang to go to work one-on-one against some poor sap.
I said early Ejim. Ejim shot 23% on 106 attempts in his first two years- he wasn’t a credible threat and teams weren’t really defending him out there.
His first year was alongside JVB, but his second was with White.
 

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I said early Ejim. Ejim shot 23% on 106 attempts in his first two years- he wasn’t a credible threat and teams weren’t really defending him out there.
His first year was alongside JVB, but his second was with White.

We were bad that year.

The Royce team's style was... unique, to say the least.

The pace-and-space thing really took off the following season, and we have played (or at least tried to play) a version of it ever since, including this season.
 

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It's going to be interesting. Haliburton trails the team leader, Babb, by a only minute in MPG, but will likely be coming off of the bench in a couple of weeks.

I can't wait to see how Wigginton's game adjusts to having scorers around him. However the lineup shakes out, these guys should be flying all over the court because there is a capable back up ready to go.
 

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To me, because we have so many offensive weapons, the 6-7 best defensive players will get the bulk of the minutes. If you don't play defense you will not be on the floor.

For the first time in the Prohm era we have enough good players that we can afford to sit those who do not work hard on the defensive end of the floor.
 

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We were bad that year.

The Royce team's style was... unique, to say the least.

The pace-and-space thing really took off the following season, and we have played (or at least tried to play) a version of it ever since, including this season.
We weren’t bad because Ejim shot 23% though.

That’s kind of the point- you don’t need forwards to shoot 3Ps to be effective on offense, but it may require a tweak to what we’ve run. Imo Lard can be a highly effective forward on a good offense, whether it be Jacobson or guys like THT and Shayok at the four

Last year had a lot of issues. Wigginton and DJ were bad at passing, particularly when creating but also overall. They were also our best shooters, so them driving had limited positive outcomes. There’s a reason our offense was so much better with a healthy Babb driving, but once he was hurt that was also limited.
 
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It’s not that contentious. Wigginton will need to improve to get the minutes he did a year ago. Like Sig pointed out, Wigginton wasn’t as efficient or effective player last year.

Not only is that contentious it is flat out crazy talk.
 

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It's going to be interesting. Haliburton trails the team leader, Babb, by a only minute in MPG, but will likely be coming off of the bench in a couple of weeks.

I can't wait to see how Wigginton's game adjusts to having scorers around him. However the lineup shakes out, these guys should be flying all over the court because there is a capable back up ready to go.

I think the offense we're running lends itself well to this adjustment. It's basically rotate, probe the defense, if an opening is there, you take it. If the shot is there, take it. If the shot isn't there, hopefully you've moved the defense enough to move it on to the open man. If nothing is there, rotate and repeat.
 

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You are right, our spacing so far this year has been outstanding. I think we are fine when Lard returns, as long as we don't try to play with two of Talley/Lard/Young on the floor at the same time.
You’re probably right, but I’m holding out hope Talley as a pseudo point-forward four can match THT’s current 32% on 3P shooting, sophomore Georges 33% (30% in conference play), or even Clyburn’s 31%. If he can do that, he can play alongside Lard or Young and we’ve got another mismatch on offense that can defend all over the court.

Our rosterbation is Prohm’s burden
 

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You see Wigginton averaging 33 minutes/game this year?

The Iowa State team we watched in Maui doesn’t get better playing the Wigginton from last year 33 minutes imo.
Much like the team as a whole last year, Wigginton was very effective and much more efficient during the stretch Weiler-Babb was healthy and running the point. Once NWB was limited or out with injury, you are correct, Wigginton was not very efficient. Then again, he was a true freshman, and much of that inefficiency coincided with lots of injuries on the team, so I'm not sure how much can really be gleaned from his time as primary PG last year. Fortunately the emergence of Haliburton suggests that LW can ease his way back in to big minutes, and not be thrust into primary PG duties until he's ready for it. I'm excited to see what LW can do this year once he's back to 100%.
 

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Much like the team as a whole last year, Wigginton was very effective and much more efficient during the stretch Weiler-Babb was healthy and running the point. Once NWB was limited or out with injury, you are correct, Wigginton was not very efficient. Then again, he was a true freshman, and much of that inefficiency coincided with lots of injuries on the team, so I'm not sure how much can really be gleaned from his time as primary PG last year. Fortunately the emergence of Haliburton suggests that LW can ease his way back in to big minutes, and not be thrust into primary PG duties until he's ready for it. I'm excited to see what LW can do this year once he's back to 100%.
His advanced stats were not significantly different pre/post Babb injury. The team was better because Babb was more effective and efficient, not because Wigginton was different.
 
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You see Wigginton averaging 33 minutes/game this year?

The Iowa State team we watched in Maui doesn’t get better playing the Wigginton from last year 33 minutes imo.

He will play 30 minutes or more a game and that shouldn't even be a question. The Iowa State team in Maui doesn't lose the first game with a healthy Wigginton.
 

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His advanced stats were not significantly different pre/post Babb injury. The team was better because Babb was more effective and efficient, not Wigginton.

The team was better because it had both Babb and Wigginton as opposed to just Wigginton.
 

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His advanced stats were not significantly different pre/post Babb injury. The team was better because Babb was more effective and efficient, not Wigginton.

I think I'm of similar mindset as you. I'm not putting it all on Wigginton (I'm not saying you are), since as a freshman he was forced into needing to be a playmaker game 1, and then by the end of the season he only had 3 other guys on the roster that should have been playing P5 bball at the time.

It's more than just Wigginton adjusting when he gets back. Both Shayok and THT are great ball dominant players like Wigginton. It would be tough having 3 guys out there where the ball tends to stick. It doesn't look as bad this year because the defense is so much better. We get more transition opportunities and scoring slumps aren't as noticeable when you get defensive stops. THT is starting to make plays for his teammates though, so that is very encouraging.