line ups when the 4 players out come back

[srjclone]

Jacobson is better than Lard. Unpopular CF opinion

idk if better is the proper wording here. I think, though, that Jacobson has earned the right to stay in the starting line up. The guy brings something to this team we haven't in a bit, a big that consistently brings the same effort and ability game in and game out. He will probably become more of a role player once Wiggi comes back and Lard is waiting in the wings, but idk if Prohm is willing to take him out. He is like the Taj Gibson to the D-Rose Bulls in the way he operates out on the floor. He won't screw your team over, and will bring effort on the boards on both sides of the court all game long, points coming throughout but not the way he impacts a game.

My point in this response is Jacobson could have less of a ceiling than Lard, but contribute more to our team over the entirety of the season. I'd be shocked if Lard came back from suspension and started in the month of December. I could see him going on a tear and Prohm finding a way to get him in there, but don't think that happens in the forseeable future.

 

[LLCoolCY]

This is exactly what the rotation will look like. Lard is going to get the Jameel McKay treatment from Prohm. He won't start.

When didn't McKay not start for the season due to discipline? He was held out a couple of games but given the job back after making amends.

None of us have seen Lard with this current team. How can some be so sure Lard wouldn't have been produced even better than Jacobson has at this point. It may seem unlikely with how well Jacobson has produced but considering how Cam produced last year it is very possible. We have seen Lard play for a full year at a all B12 level compared to Jacobson's 7 game sample size (half mid-major competition) we don't need to make definitive statement on either player at this time.

I'm confident ISU can succeed with either player starting and both will pay 20+ minutes. I believe Lard's ceiling and defensive impact is superior to Jacobson's and will get him the starting job once the conference season starts today. I am open to changing my mind after seeing Lard in action with this roster.

 

[cycloneG]

What aspects would you say Lard is better than Jacobson? That last sentence is a doozy.

Lard is a better rebounder and shot blocker than Jacobson. Jacobson is definitely more polished offensively.

 

[cyclones360]

When didn't McKay not start for the season due to discipline? He was held out a couple of games but given the job back after making amends.

None of us have seen Lard with this current team. How can some be so sure Lard wouldn't have been produced even better than Jacobson has at this point. It may seem unlikely with how well Jacobson has produced but considering how Cam produced last year it is very possible. We have seen Lard play for a full year at a all B12 level compared to Jacobson's 7 game sample size (half mid-major competition) we don't need to make definitive statement on either player at this time.

I'm confident ISU can succeed with either player starting and both will pay 20+ minutes. I believe Lard's ceiling and defensive impact is superior to Jacobson's and will get him the starting job once the conference season starts today. I am open to changing my mind after seeing Lard in action with this roster.

After McKay returned from his suspension he didn’t start the first few games. See Baylor 2/16/16 for example. 20 minutes off the bench.

 

[LLCoolCY]

After McKay returned from his suspension he didn’t start the first few games. See Baylor 2/16/16 for example. 20 minutes off the bench.

Sure but he didn't lose his starting job for the year for off the court reasons as was implied.
Assuming Lard has paid for his transgressions that shouldn't be used as a reason to start him or not. I don't expect Lard to start the first game back but work his way into the starting line up by conference season.

 

[cycloneG]

Everyone should watch the highlights from the tech game last season to see what we have available but not playing right now

 

[cyclones360]

Sure but he didn't lose his starting job for the year for off the court reasons as was implied.
Assuming Lard has paid for his transgressions that shouldn't be used as a reason to start him or not. I don't expect Lard to start the first game back but work his way into the starting line up by conference season.

I believe Prohm will make Lard EARN his starting job back. He very well may force Prohm's hand eventually to start him (exactly like McKay did by dropping double doubles off the bench). I do not believe Lard will be handed his starting job back without having to earn it over any of the current starters. This could take a couple games or it may never happen. Nobody knows.

 

[CyCloned]

Lard is a better rebounder and shot blocker than Jacobson. Jacobson is definitely more polished offensively.

Which is why they will both play a lot of minutes. Lard can be a real shot blocking force in the post, which can change a game in a hurry. Once guys get a couple shots slapped into the second row they start altering their shots or not taking them. ISU is fortunate to have this kind of problem.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Everyone should watch the highlights from the tech game last season to see what we have available but not playing right now

I watched that game on my phone while I was at lunch with my wife, her mom, and her two aunts. She was really mad at me afterwards. It was totally worth it.

That game was everything good about the team last year, which did have a pretty high ceiling, and none of the bad things that drug it down so often and so badly.

* * *​

Which high-level P6 post will we start or play this season?
I mean, good problem to have, people. Savor it.
We have struggled to find two for so long. We might have three!

 

[ClonesFTW]

I predict Talley is going to play a lot more than the consensus on here.

 

[FinalFourCy]

When didn't McKay not start for the season due to discipline? He was held out a couple of games but given the job back after making amends.

None of us have seen Lard with this current team. How can some be so sure Lard wouldn't have been produced even better than Jacobson has at this point. It may seem unlikely with how well Jacobson has produced but considering how Cam produced last year it is very possible. We have seen Lard play for a full year at a all B12 level compared to Jacobson's 7 game sample size (half mid-major competition) we don't need to make definitive statement on either player at this time.

I'm confident ISU can succeed with either player starting and both will pay 20+ minutes. I believe Lard's ceiling and defensive impact is superior to Jacobson's and will get him the starting job once the conference season starts today. I am open to changing my mind after seeing Lard in action with this roster.

The same way some can be so sure THT will start all year regardless of matchup.

Unless Lard has improved his shooting, passing, handling, PnR defense, and communication he’s unlikely to be better than Jacobson.

Jacobson is pretty vital to being able to play small-ball with a team with guards that are inconsistent on 3Ps. He opens up the paint and is our best big in PnR action on both ends. His defense is a big reason why we’ve been able to switch nearly everything, I’m not sure Lard can do that, and that was before his weight gain.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Everyone should watch the highlights from the tech game last season to see what we have available but not playing right now

If Prohm can integrate those guys in and get this team to max out, he’ll be Big 12 CoY

 

[Dingus]

The same way some can be so sure THT will start all year regardless of matchup.

Unless Lard has improved his shooting, passing, handling, PnR defense, and communication he’s unlikely to be better than Jacobson.

Jacobson is pretty vital to being able to play small-ball with a team with guards that are inconsistent on 3Ps. He opens up the paint and is our best big in PnR action on both ends. His defense is a big reason why we’ve been able to switch nearly everything, I’m not sure Lard can do that, and that was before his weight gain.

Lard is an underrated passer and a better rim protector. Jacobson is clearly a better shooter.

Jacobson has been fantastic; I’m curious to see if his shooting holds up. It sure seems like he’s at about a 90% clip from 15 ft on the season.

 

[NENick]

I understand the infatuation with smallball, but I see plenty of opportunities for Jacobson at 4 and Lard at 5. If Solomon is able to get back full strength, he fits into 5 for breaks and foul trouble.

 

[acgclone]

Our pick and roll game should pick up with Lard back.

 

[cyguytillidie]

I don't think Solo is going to see a whole lot of PT when he comes back.
He'll be nice when facing Doke and Konate. I don't really see a large need for his muscle outside of those matchups however. If the bruiser isn't needed, there is not much value in having him on the floor over any of the other top 7 or 8 guys.

 

[Psiclone]

Everyone should watch the highlights from the tech game last season to see what we have available but not playing right now

Good for people to see this as a reminder of not only Lard's, but also Talley's game. We'll need both players' contributions to do well in the Big XII.

 

[Psiclone]

I don't think Solo is going to see a whole lot of PT when he comes back.
He'll be nice when facing Doke and Konate. I don't really see a large need for his muscle outside of those matchups however. If the bruiser isn't needed, there is not much value in having him on the floor over any of the other top 7 or 8 guys.

Disagree. He brings a lot of toughness/grit and big-game experience to the table. I think we'll wish he could have played in the Iowa game for starters.

 

[Sigmapolis]

We are going from one of the worst P6 teams to roughly 15-20 in the country according to the rough consensus between the various computer rankings.

It should not be a shocker that we are improving not just "incrementally" year-to-year with the same players, but by wholesale remaking our roster, dropping the least efficient and effective players, and replacing them with better ones.

 

[NoCreativity]

I like Jacobson, but to have him over Lard who has been tested against top competition and excelled is silly.

Agreed, people tend to forget that Lard has proven himself over an entire season as a dominant post. Jacobson is off to a great start and should still play starters minutes, but Lard is the more explosive player and has a higher ceiling.