line ups when the 4 players out come back

[FinalFourCy]

THT will be starting all year no matter the match up. Talen's ability to penetrate, make shots for himself and create for others makes him too important to the offense to worry about the opponent. Plus his size and speed allow him to match up 2-4 so there is always a way to have him in the lineup.

While we have been playing well and debating the lineups we really need to see all the players integrated to really debate/decide who and what lineups should be playing. Jacobson and Haliburton have exceeded expectations to the point where they have staked a valid claim to stay starters but, we don't know yet if the starting line-up could be even better when Lindell and Cam are inserted. It could very well end up both have improved (like MJ and TH) during the summer makes raises the ceiling of the team even farther. Having too many good players to find time for is a good problem to have for the staff IMO as opposed to last year when Prohm was just trying patch work a roster.

If Jacobson isn’t a lock to start, THT isn’t a lock to “start all year, no matter the matchup”. I think they both start, but that’s inconsistent logic on your part.

We don’t know anymore about THT than others. We do know he currently has the lowest efficiency and offensive ratings of the starters. When Wigginton gets back, having two of those guys starting may not be best. Or maybe he struggles to defend actual posts, and not the 190lb forward from SDST

 

[LLCoolCY]

This exactly. I dont know how you keep THT off the court right now.
PG: Babb
SG: LW
SF: THT
SF: Shayok
PF: Lard
Bench: Jacobson, Talley, Halliburton, Young
It sucks seeing Young fall on the depth chart but makes sense with recruiting over him. He will still play plenty but not multidimensional enough to play in front of the others listed IMO.

I think this is how the line-up shakes out by mid-January assuming there are no set backs with the injured players. Jacobson and Haliburton will still play starter-ish minutes 20ish a game. The only wild card could be Lewis, he is making a case to play 15 minutes at the 2-3 if he stays aggressive and playing like the past 3 games. I can see Prohm wanting to reinforce his confidence and his ability to shoot would be something the team could use of the bench.

 

[ComCY]

I don't think there's any way you don't start Jacobson. He's been vital in rebounding, and spacing the floor (his ability to hit jumpers at a high rate does wonders for the rest of our players).

 

[MartinCy]

Starting:
Babb
Wigginton
Shayok
THT
Jacobson

1st tier bench:
Lard, Haliburton

2nd tier bench:
Talley, Solomon, Lewis

-Lard still plays 25ish mins similar to last year
-Jacobson dips just under 30 mins
-I could definitely see Lard eventually replacing Jacobson in the starting lineup and playing as much as foul trouble allows
-Haliburton sees about 20 mins off the bench spelling different guards but when Babb is sitting his 10ish minutes a game, Haliburton is always in
-The "second tier" off the bench of Talley, Solomon, Lewis will have to work itself out and will be low mins guys... Talley has a lot of value in his versatility and defense and probably has the greatest "guarantee" of consistent future mins of these three. Lewis will have to continue his productive three game stretch but could be a major asset to a team that lacks outside shooting. Solomon is a steady high floor player when healthy but we'll have to see how his recovery goes. We probably consistently rotate 8, sometimes 9 but one of these three gets for the most part cut out if everyone is healthy imo

 

[cdface]

Saving grace for the guys on the bench is that three (or more) of the starting five, as most people are predicting it to shake out in the short-term, will be gone next year.

So while some of the guys that have shown big flashes thus far this year might be very disappointed in their usage going forward, they can relax a bit knowing that next year presents an entirely different opportunity for them.

If we weren't going to lose so much next year, I would be a lot more concerned that some of these guys would be standing with a foot outside the door at the end of the season.

 

[State43]

I like Jacobson, but to have him over Lard who has been tested against top competition and excelled is silly.

 

[IP Guy]

I'm not sure who will start or whether that will transition as Lard proves his trustworthiness to Prohm, but it looks like the following may play out:

• NWB and LW will get most of the minutes at PG, but Halliburton will still see some time at PG
• NWB and LW will also get most of the minutes at SG (Wing #1), but Halliburton will see a fair amount of time at SG
• Shayok will get most of the minutes at SF (Wing #2), but THT, Halliburton, Talley and Lewis (amount of time per game will vary greatly and likely depend on whether he's hitting 3s) will also see a fair amount of time at SF
• THT will get most of the minutes at PF (Wing #3), but Shayok (if three of the above players are in at the same time) will get some small-ball time there, Talley will get some time there, Jacobson will get some time there (especially if a strong double post team is pounding us down low) and we will see some spot minutes there from Zion (I suspect more minutes as he develops / later in the year)
• Jacobson and Lard will get almost all of the minutes at C (Post #1), but Solomon will get some minutes (especially against super strong low posts) and we will see some spot minutes from GC as he shows the coaching staff in practice that he is too good not to play and/or referees decide to call a ton of fouls on our bigs (think Lawrence)

While a fair amount of folks here are saying Lewis will get the short end of the stick, I actually think his three point shooting will carve out a specific (important) role on the team. So, I think Talley may end up being the one must frustrated / left out in this fully healthy situation unless he's dramatically improved his outside shooting. I also think Zion and GC will be frustrated about their minutes, but my hope is that drives them to work their tails off / dramatically improve during both practice (season) and the off season.

Time will tell.

 

[IASTATE07]

I like Jacobson, but to have him over Lard who has been tested against top competition and excelled is silly.

It's really not that silly.

 

[Psiclone]

I like Jacobson, but to have him over Lard who has been tested against top competition and excelled is silly.

It's really not that silly.

Perhaps "premature " is a better descriptor. No one has seen how much Lard has improved since last year due to rehab/suspension. So, no valid basis for making a conclusion at this point other than hearsay about his practices where he is supposedly dominating.

He is the only "difference maker" in the low post, with THT and Wigg ones on the perimeter.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I think this is how the line-up shakes out by mid-January assuming there are no set backs with the injured players. Jacobson and Haliburton will still play starter-ish minutes 20ish a game. The only wild card could be Lewis, he is making a case to play 15 minutes at the 2-3 if he stays aggressive and playing like the past 3 games. I can see Prohm wanting to reinforce his confidence and his ability to shoot would be something the team could use of the bench.

The Lewis situation is tricky- you don't want to kill his momentum and confidence, when he's clearly a guy who can help next year as he continues to improve, but his current ability may not warrant a lot of minutes.

 

[FinalFourCy]

The Lewis situation is tricky- you don't want to kill his momentum and confidence, when he's clearly a guy who can help next year as he continues to improve, but his current ability may not warrant a lot of minutes.

Agree. Most coaches aren’t this way, but Lewis may be a guy worth investing minutes in. He’s good enough right now that I don’t think it changes the outcome in most games to give him minutes, even if that means resting some better players a little more.

I rewatched the SDSt game. That version of Lewis justifies not playing starters 30+ minutes imo

 

[Cyclad]

I like Jacobson, but to have him over Lard who has been tested against top competition and excelled is silly.

Totally disagree.
I would argue our best player YTD is Jacobson. Very consistent in performance.
Team guy, plays hard 100% of time, good defender, can stretch floor, good with pick and pop. I would entertain an argument that Shyok has been our best player, but I think Jacobson edges him out. Big reason for our great chemistry so far. He should start unless his performance diminishes.
Lard is a better lob/dunk guy and off the ball shot blocker, and is very good. Until he proves otherwise, I give the attitude edge to Jacobson too. Lard will get 20 minutes a game.

 

[HFCS]

THe way THT is coming on, I don't see him coming out of the lineup. Haliburton will eventually come off the bench. Wigginton will be an instant starter when he's healthy.

Lard will really have to earn it, IMO.

Talley will be a bench/energy guy.

Lewis and Zion will see their minutes drop to near zero when everyone's back.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Solo is back.

When/if we're at full strength the lineups will be endless and we can play big or small to suit matchups. We have the depth so that foul trouble and OT games shouldn't be a concern.

Probably first time we could have a really big lineup since Homan years. Don’t think it will be the default but nice option to have.

It’s been a loooooong time since every game wasn’t a potential foul trouble issue down low.

 

[State43]

Totally disagree.
I would argue our best player YTD is Jacobson. Very consistent in performance.
Team guy, plays hard 100% of time, good defender, can stretch floor, good with pick and pop. I would entertain an argument that Shyok has been our best player, but I think Jacobson edges him out. Big reason for our great chemistry so far. He should start unless his performance diminishes.
Lard is a better lob/dunk guy and off the ball shot blocker, and is very good. Until he proves otherwise, I give the attitude edge to Jacobson too. Lard will get 20 minutes a game.

You are basing all this off the **** teams we have played so far. Arizona was the only decent team and they won. People need to chill on the koolaid. THT is the best player on the court for us right now with exception of maybe Shayok. When we play teams with quality bigs, we will see how Jacobson stacks up. I like him, I think he plays plenty of minutes but Lard is better provided he didn't get worse in the off season.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Totally disagree.
I would argue our best player YTD is Jacobson. Very consistent in performance.
Team guy, plays hard 100% of time, good defender, can stretch floor, good with pick and pop. I would entertain an argument that Shyok has been our best player, but I think Jacobson edges him out. Big reason for our great chemistry so far. He should start unless his performance diminishes.
Lard is a better lob/dunk guy and off the ball shot blocker, and is very good. Until he proves otherwise, I give the attitude edge to Jacobson too. Lard will get 20 minutes a game.

Right on.
Jacobson is averaging 17 points on 65% shooting (including 36% on 3Ps) and 7.7 rebounds. His PER is best on the team at 128.3 and his offensive rating 2nd best at 138.6. Lard never had a 7 game stretch like that.

It’s silly to think talk of him starting is silly.

 

[IASTATE07]

You are basing all this off the **** teams we have played so far. Arizona was the only decent team and they won. People need to chill on the koolaid. THT is the best player on the court for us right now with exception of maybe Shayok. When we play teams with quality bigs, we will see how Jacobson stacks up. I like him, I think he plays plenty of minutes but Lard is better provided he didn't get worse in the off season.

What aspects would you say Lard is better than Jacobson? That last sentence is a doozy.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Agree. Most coaches aren’t this way, but Lewis may be a guy worth investing minutes in. He’s good enough right now that I don’t think it changes the outcome in most games to give him minutes, even if that means resting some better players a little more.

I rewatched the SDSt game. That version of Lewis justifies not playing starters 30+ minutes imo

Yeah, I'd like to see everyone stay around 30 or under (definitely Babb to prevent a flare up of the things that got him last year).

 

[cyclones360]

Starting:
Babb
Wigginton
Shayok
THT
Jacobson

1st tier bench:
Lard, Haliburton

2nd tier bench:
Talley, Solomon, Lewis

-Lard still plays 25ish mins similar to last year
-Jacobson dips just under 30 mins
-I could definitely see Lard eventually replacing Jacobson in the starting lineup and playing as much as foul trouble allows
-Haliburton sees about 20 mins off the bench spelling different guards but when Babb is sitting his 10ish minutes a game, Haliburton is always in
-The "second tier" off the bench of Talley, Solomon, Lewis will have to work itself out and will be low mins guys... Talley has a lot of value in his versatility and defense and probably has the greatest "guarantee" of consistent future mins of these three. Lewis will have to continue his productive three game stretch but could be a major asset to a team that lacks outside shooting. Solomon is a steady high floor player when healthy but we'll have to see how his recovery goes. We probably consistently rotate 8, sometimes 9 but one of these three gets for the most part cut out if everyone is healthy imo

This is exactly what the rotation will look like. Lard is going to get the Jameel McKay treatment from Prohm. He won't start.

 

[CloneFan4]

Jacobson is better than Lard. Unpopular CF opinion

 

[FinalFourCy]

You are basing all this off the **** teams we have played so far. Arizona was the only decent team and they won. People need to chill on the koolaid. THT is the best player on the court for us right now with exception of maybe Shayok. When we play teams with quality bigs, we will see how Jacobson stacks up. I like him, I think he plays plenty of minutes but Lard is better provided he didn't get worse in the off season.

Have you only watched the Illinois game?

THT is our best player on the court? That’s some koolaid. What happened to your concern over making claims based off of performances against weak competition? Outside of the Illinois game he’s not even close to being the best player. I like him and he’ll play plenty of minutes, but he’s been very average against this weak competition you speak of. THT is playing the four, so we’ll see how THT plays against teams with quality bigs. Jacobson on the other hand has at least held his own in the Big 10.

Lard wasn’t as complete of a player at any point last year as Jacobson has in these 7 games. Maybe he’s improved though. Has he ever even made a 3P shot? His PnR and on-ball defense weren’t as good as Jacobson’s at any point last year.