*** Official #20 IOWA STATE VS Baylor Game(Day) Thread ***

[jbhtexas]

If you want to win the conference 13-5 is the number. This is a difficult game to lose because we played well. Shot over 50% from the field and 38% from 3. We are going to have plenty of road games where we don't hit those numbers.

Kansas wins games like this. Show me a time when KU has shot over 50% from the field and still lost a conference game.

They need to isolate Shayok, THT or Wiggington in late game situations. Those are your three closers in my opinion. I would prefer Shayok and this point.

ISU held BU to 43.6% FG, which is below their season average. Both teams had 10 TOs, ISU outscored BU in the paint, 32-24, had more points off TO 9-7. Then there is the killer...10-4 offensive rebound differential, and BU outscoring ISU in second chance points 13-5.

To your point, KU usually wins games like that (and the conference) because night in and night out they are generally good enough across all aspects of the game...i.e. they usually don't tank one part of the game.

For ISU, from a practical standpoint, having to shoot better than 50%, or going on the road and holding teams even further below their season FG% to make up for giving the opponent second chance points is going to make for a tough life in the Big 12. Hopefully, they can clean up the rebounding.

 

[Cyclonepride]

ISU held BU to 43.6% FG, which is below their season average. Both teams had 10 TOs, ISU outscored BU in the paint, 32-24, had more points off TO 9-7. Then there is the killer...10-4 offensive rebound differential, and BU outscoring ISU in second chance points 13-5.

To your point, KU usually wins games like that (and the conference) because night in and night out they are generally good enough across all aspects of the game...i.e. they usually don't tank one part of the game.

For ISU, from a practical standpoint, having to shoot better than 50%, or going on the road and holding teams even further below their season FG% to make up for giving the opponent second chance points is going to make for a tough life in the Big 12. Hopefully, they can clean up the rebounding.

Somewhat....odd to be the team taking it into the paint all night and ending up shooting 8 free throws to their 20 too.

 

[FinalFourCy]

ISU held BU to 43.6% FG, which is below their season average. Both teams had 10 TOs, ISU outscored BU in the paint, 32-24, had more points off TO 9-7. Then there is the killer...10-4 offensive rebound differential, and BU outscoring ISU in second chance points 13-5.

To your point, KU usually wins games like that (and the conference) because night in and night out they are generally good enough across all aspects of the game...i.e. they usually don't tank one part of the game.

For ISU, from a practical standpoint, having to shoot better than 50%, or going on the road and holding teams even further below their season FG% to make up for giving the opponent second chance points is going to make for a tough life in the Big 12. Hopefully, they can clean up the rebounding.

KU also wins games like that because KU is getting free throws at the end, not to mention getting the benefit on other critical calls. KU will lose games they shouldn’t, but they also are given a game or two other teams don’t get.

But we can’t control that. Our defense wasn’t good enough, particularly when getting beat on the boards as you mentioned. They hit some 3Ps they normally miss and hitting 17-20 on FTs was also huge. That percentage being well above their average is more bad luck than anything, and the high attempts is life on the road for non-KU teams.

Although we weren’t terrible in anything, we weren’t great in anything. That looked like a Hoiberg team on the road.

 

[rochclone]

Somewhat....odd to be the team taking it into the paint all night and ending up shooting 8 free throws to their 20 too.

Tristan Clark was better than any post we threw at them. He had developed into a very nice big for them. And we couldn't keep Mason out of the lane. 12 free throws between those two.

 

[Halincandenza]

Thought that they just didn't play with the energy, toughness and focus it takes to win on the road yet they were still right there at the end. Just got to learn from it and move forward.

Thought this was a game as well that Lard was going to do well in so it sucks he went down in the first half.

 

[Halincandenza]

KU also wins games like that because KU is getting free throws at the end, not to mention getting the benefit on other critical calls. KU will lose games they shouldn’t, but they also are given a game or two other teams don’t get.

But we can’t control that. Our defense wasn’t good enough, particularly when getting beat on the boards as you mentioned. They hit some 3Ps they normally miss and hitting 17-20 on FTs was also huge. That percentage being well above their average is more bad luck than anything, and the high attempts is life on the road for non-KU teams.

Although we weren’t terrible in anything, we weren’t great in anything. That looked like a Hoiberg team on the road.

KU usually wins games like that because of defense and rebounding.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Tristan Clark was better than any post we threw at them. He had developed into a very nice big for them. And we couldn't keep Mason out of the lane. 12 free throws between those two.

His shots in the lane are the type you want him taking though. In traffic, lean back, hang and throw them up off balance. And he made every damn one.

 

[FinalFourCy]

KU usually wins games like that because of defense and rebounding.

It’s both. Baylor isn’t shooting 20 FTs last night against KU. Life on the road, except for KU. KU is shooting FTs for OT.

Let’s not pretend KU doesn’t lose games on the road. They have bigger upsets than that every year. A bigger difference is they are enabled to steal a close game or two. KU was 6th in defensive ratings last year

 

[Halincandenza]

It’s both.
Baylor isn’t shooting 20 FTs last night against KU. Life on the road, except for KU.

Wrong. 8 of those free throws were in the last 40 seconds of the game.

 

[rochclone]

KU also wins games like that because KU is getting free throws at the end, not to mention getting the benefit on other critical calls. KU will lose games they shouldn’t, but they also are given a game or two other teams don’t get.

But we can’t control that. Our defense wasn’t good enough, particularly when getting beat on the boards as you mentioned. They hit some 3Ps they normally miss and hitting 17-20 on FTs was also huge. That percentage being well above their average is more bad luck than anything, and the high attempts is life on the road for non-KU teams.

Although we weren’t terrible in anything, we weren’t great in anything. That looked like a Hoiberg team on the road.

Here is a dirty little secret...despite the narrative we are 8-21 in conference road games under CSP. 27.6%

We were 14-30 under Hoiberg in conference road games. 31.8%.

So we just looked like an Iowa State team on the road in the last 9 years...period.

 

[isufbcurt]

I've noticed in the OSU and Baylor games there are times when we are over passing. I know we want to pass up a good shot to get a great shot, but to many times this extra pass is at the wrong time.

One example - Tyrese was driving to the the basket and would of had an easy layup or floater but he passed it and it was stolen.

Another example - the ball was moving around the 3 point line. Wiggy should have taken the open look but continued passing to Marial and the defense caught up and took away the shot Marial had so we had to reset.

 

[isu81]

It’s both. Baylor isn’t shooting 20 FTs last night against KU. Life on the road, except for KU. KU is shooting FTs for OT.

Let’s not pretend KU doesn’t lose games on the road. They have bigger upsets than that every year. A bigger difference is they are enabled to steal a close game or two. KU was 6th in defensive ratings last year

You know the last 8 FT's they took resulted from us intentionally fouling them, right?

 

[Halincandenza]

Refs were pretty bad last night though. I remember two occasions where it went off Baylor and was called off ISU. In addition, they had one of the quickest tie up triggers I have ever seen.

 

[ComCY]

ISU held BU to 43.6% FG, which is below their season average. Both teams had 10 TOs, ISU outscored BU in the paint, 32-24, had more points off TO 9-7. Then there is the killer...10-4 offensive rebound differential, and BU outscoring ISU in second chance points 13-5.

To your point, KU usually wins games like that (and the conference) because night in and night out they are generally good enough across all aspects of the game...i.e. they usually don't tank one part of the game.

For ISU, from a practical standpoint, having to shoot better than 50%, or going on the road and holding teams even further below their season FG% to make up for giving the opponent second chance points is going to make for a tough life in the Big 12. Hopefully, they can clean up the rebounding.

We win the game with Lard, no question in my mind.

 

[jbhtexas]

His shots in the lane are the type you want him taking though. In traffic, lean back, hang and throw them up off balance. And he made every damn one.

Yeah, but he's taking those shots close to the hoop, and so far, he's been able to make them. He's shooting about 75% for the year, averaging 8 shot attempts per game. That gaudy FG% might come down some as the competition gets tougher, but he seems to have a good touch around the hoop.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Wrong. 8 of those free throws were in the last 40 seconds of the game.

And?

 

[Halincandenza]

And?

It wasn't that big of foul disparity. Keeping Baylor off the offensive boards and playing better defense would have won the game. If ISU had been up by a few at the end instead of Baylor they would have gotten fouled and the number of FTs flips to ISU's favor.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You know the last 8 FT's they took resulted from us intentionally fouling them, right?

You do know calls prior to the last 40 seconds have a huge influence on the need to intentionally foul, right?

 

[Halincandenza]

You do know calls prior to the last 40 seconds have a huge influence on the need to intentionally foul, right?

So does playing better defense and getting rebounds, not turning the ball over...

 

[Cyclonepride]

Yeah, but he's taking those shots close to the hoop, and so far, he's been able to make them. He's shooting about 75% for the year, averaging 8 shot attempts per game. That gaudy FG% might come down some as the competition gets tougher, but he seems to have a good touch around the hoop.

I was talking about Mason. Their big was a load and we didn't have a lot of answers there except to double (and then get burned in doing so).