*** Official #20 IOWA STATE VS Baylor Game(Day) Thread ***

[akclone]

I think it's easy to look at the last couple of minutes of the game as a direct reason for the loss but I think the last 6:30 of the first half had more of an impact. Cyclones actually outscored Baylor by 5 in the second half. As far as the free throw discrepancy, jump shooting teams have a hard time of getting to the line.
I just hope CM can get back quickly, losing him for an extended time would be worse than one conference road loss.

 

[fsanford]

I believe ISU has more wins at KU than at Baylor since 2000

My point was the the FT disparity is a stupid argument. Without the final 8 FT by Baylor, which were the result of intentional fouls, it was 12-8.

I believe the discrepancy was 15-2 in the 2nd half.


I think the last play was a foul, maybe he does not make all 3, but given the discrepancy and how officials work to even out calls, that is one that ISU maybe should have gotten.

The color man on the broadcast certainly thought so..

But you are not going to get calls on the road, well most teams will not, cannot change the past , move on.

 

[FinalFourCy]

It's not a false dilemma at all. And the only strawman argument I see is this idea that Hoiberg's teams couldn't win on the road which is contrary to the numbers.

This team is better defensively then any team we have had in recent memory. Without Cam I think they will continue to struggle with post-defense and limiting offensive rebounds in conference play....which will effect their defensive efficiency.

The choice is to construct a better defense should be lauded but we have struggled time and again in late-game situations to get good looks...much less make them. Once again we had six possessions in the last 3 minutes after taking a 66-64 lead and we got 4 points and turned the ball over on two of those possessions and then Nick's decision in the last few seconds.

You’re letting your tendency to see everything as either pro-Fred or anti-Fred distort your comprehension.

It’s a false dilemma. You can play better defense than Hoiberg era teams while not having a slide in late game offense or rebounding.

There you go again with the strawman. No one made the contention that Fred couldn’t win on the road, but rather he didn’t do it at the level to win conference titles or make runs in the NCAA tournament. Contrary to the numbers? Lol, it’s amusing you are so pro-Fred you thought someone said either Fred didn’t have a single road win or that Prohm has done better. That’s the only things the numbers refute, but no one made those claims. I thank you for supporting my contention about the mediocre road performance by providing the records. Hopefully Prohm gets the defense and rebounding to be consistent enough to have a better road record than Hoiberg.

The construction of a better defensive team has come with time and again struggling in late game situations? This is the only team constructed that way, and there has only been one late game situation. Good grief man, take the Hoiberg jersey off. It’s been one game and Hoiberg had plenty of the same struggles we had last night.

 

[rochclone]

You’re letting your tendency to see everything as either pro-Fred or anti-Fred distort your comprehension.

It’s a false dilemma. You can play better defense than Hoiberg era teams while not having a slide in late game offense or rebounding.

There you go again with the strawman. No one made the contention that Fred couldn’t win on the road, but rather he didn’t do it at the level to win conference titles or make runs in the NCAA tournament. Contrary to the numbers? Lol, it’s amusing you are so pro-Fred you thought someone said either Fred didn’t have a single road win or that Prohm has done better. That’s the only things the numbers refute, but no one made those claims. I thank you for supporting my contention about the mediocre road performance by providing the records. Hopefully Prohm gets the defense and rebounding to be consistent enough to have a better road record than Hoiberg.

The construction of a better defensive team has come with time and again struggling in late game situations? This is the only team constructed that way, and there has only been one late game situation. Good grief man, take the Hoiberg jersey off. It’s been one game and Hoiberg had plenty of the same struggles we had last night.

I think CSP had done a very nice job with this team...as he did in 16-17. I think I was a bit put off by the fact YOU like to bring up the Hoiberg era as if it was some type of failure.

This team has a very high ceiling and I think Prohm will have success this year and in the future. He certainly has the talent for some great success.

 

[rochclone]

I think CSP had done a very nice job with this team...as he did in 16-17. I think I was a bit put off by the fact YOU like to bring up the Hoiberg era constantly as if it was some type of failure.

You made the comment that the loss was just like the Hoiberg era. I'm sorry that you hold a grudge because CFH made a decision to move on.

This team has a very high ceiling and I think Prohm will have success this year and in the future. He certainly has the talent for some great success.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I think CSP had done a very nice job with this team...as he did in 16-17. I think I was a bit put off by the fact YOU like to bring up the Hoiberg era as if it was some type of failure.

This team has a very high ceiling and I think Prohm will have success this year and in the future. He certainly has the talent for some great success.

If you think anyone has brought up the Hoiberg era as a failure, either you lack the ability to comprehend basic context in these threads or you are incredibly insecure over comments about Fred. Given your consistent posts on this subject, money is on the latter.

 

[shpeters]

Not an active contributor. The don't get to high/low mentality is somewhat valid but CONSISTENTLY good teams don't have to be told that. My take last night was that the offense was playing pretty well in second half and then we get up 2 with a couple of minutes left and two possessions in a row we spread the floor and take time off clock. This created no ball or player movement and only allowed us to get off some terrible shot attempts. News Flash- that tactic won't work for this team and hasn't worked consistently for any team in the last 30 years. Anyone remember the Lute Olson 4 corners. Stay aggressive, with ball movement and the extra pass gets good shot attempts and the win

 

[CyTwins]

Not an active contributor. The don't get to high/low mentality is somewhat valid but CONSISTENTLY good teams don't have to be told that. My take last night was that the offense was playing pretty well in second half and then we get up 2 with a couple of minutes left and two possessions in a row we spread the floor and take time off clock. This created no ball or player movement and only allowed us to get off some terrible shot attempts. News Flash- that tactic won't work for this team and hasn't worked consistently for any team in the last 30 years. Anyone remember the Lute Olson 4 corners. Stay aggressive, with ball movement and the extra pass gets good shot attempts and the win

Self pretty much said this in his post game presser Saturday

Everything else is spot on

 

[rochclone]

If you think anyone has brought up the Hoiberg era as a failure, either you lack the ability to comprehend basic context in these threads or you are incredibly insecure over comments about Fred. Given your consistent posts on this subject, money is on the latter.

Have a good day my friend. Both of us are Cyclone fans. Not sure the need to try and destroy and insult people that have a different opinion.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Not sure the need to try and destroy and insult people that have a different opinion.

Because you resorted to fallacies and fabricated an attack on Hoiberg that didn’t exist.

 

[CloneLawman]

This thread has become a cesspool. O Mighty Mods, in thy Awesome Puissance, please lay the smack down and close this sucker.

 

[rochclone]

Because you resorted to fallacies and fabricated an attack on Hoiberg that didn’t exist.

Or you are just a condescending ******* to everyone who dares question your assertions. I think there proof beyond any reasonable doubt of that based upon this thread.

 

[Cyclonepride]

This thread has become a cesspool. O Mighty Mods, in thy Awesome Puissance, please lay the smack down and close this sucker.

First, I need to look up puissance and see if that was a compliment.

 

[Cyclonepride]

First, I need to look up puissance and see if that was a compliment.

Ah, good enough lol. This thing has pretty much run the course. Let's start talking about K State (in another thread).