And the doubles were lazy for the most part and that is why they got caught a few times in bad position to close out on shooters
*** Official #20 IOWA STATE VS Baylor Game(Day) Thread ***
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And the doubles were lazy for the most part and that is why they got caught a few times in bad position to close out on shooters
Exactly the point.
Another dirty little secret- it’s no longer Prohm coaching Fred’s roster. Maybe we add a base to our program that Fred’s teams lacked and which capped our ceiling, but it’s not yet there. This roster has the material for it though, unlike many of Hoiberg’s.
Like I said, it’s both.
KU does things like lose to a very bad TCU team on the road, but they get those games back by things like Georges “block” call in Ames, a game in which their defense was bad. They aren’t some infallible team on the road that always plays good defense and rebounding.
What I would like to have to seen after they automatically reversed it to the spot we were vacating would have been for another guy to rotate over (to cover that man) and leave someone different open. May have surprised them a couple times and intercepted that pass.
Alright my friend you tell me when we get to the point where CSP is actually responsible for his roster and we can start keeping stats from that point.
We were just so limited in those days of 2012-2015 when we averaged 24.8 wins a year.
Not a dig on CSP but being better defensively is fairly easily offset by non-production by the offense in late game situations and giving up offensive rebounds.
My point was the the FT disparity is a stupid argument. Without the final 8 FT by Baylor, which were the result of intentional fouls, it was 12-8.
Don't bother. It is clear that he wants to blame the officials, the league and past coaches today.
Our free throws must have come in the first half. TV showed that Baylor had a 12-0 edge in FT attempts in the second half before we committed any intentional fouls.
We shot what 2 free throws in the second half and they were in the last minute. Baylor had shot I believe 16 by that point. Baylor is a physical team and should usually shoot less free throws than their opponent.
I’m just a big believer that blaming officials every time things don’t go your way is a loser mentality. If we had rebounded and defended last night, we win the game.
Refs didn't cost us that game, but I didn't think they were very consistant from start to finish with the way they called the game.
Baylor's ability to slow the pace of the game and their ability to hit 3 pt shots had a big impact on the game. Even then, we had a chance to win the game if we made a couple more plays late.
Baylor's ability to slow the pace of the game and their ability to hit 3 pt shots had a big impact on the game. Even then, we had a chance to win the game if we made a couple more plays late.
Yeah, and the main problem was that it was being called totally different on one end. Touch fouls on us, basically nothing on them. Should have been able to overcome that, but still annoying.
No one is blaming them entirely. It’s fair to discuss.
I see a lot more blaming the players and coaches.
You can’t tell for yourself?
I’d say starting last year, but certainly now. Stop with the strawman, it erodes your argument. It was a very good run, but one that would have been better with not being nearly exclusively focused on offense.
Not a dig at you, but it’s an idiotic, weak use of false dilemma that being better defensively comes with non-production by the offense and giving up offensive rebounds.
Last night was similar to our road performances under Hoiberg and Prohm with a Hoiberg built roster. This roster should be better on defense and rebounding, without sacrificing much on offense. It’s early and we may get there.
And the intentional fouls aren’t a rebuttal, and given the last play, actually exemplifies the difference KU enjoys.
Frustrating loss for sure. Gave me a good laugh though to see many on twitter beside themselves as to why NWB would attempt a 40 foot shot with time to work the ball up the court... WHAT WAS HE DOING?!
Pretty impressed with the game thread... we only got one lone soldier on that train.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25717328
That was an attempt at a pre-shot intentional foul since they were up three, but Nick was prepared for that and went into a shooting motion early. 100%, cannot convince me otherwise.
Ugh, why did I ask for this torture, lmao. What a silly thing for him to even try... definitely lucky.
It's not a false dilemma at all. And the only strawman argument I see is this idea that Hoiberg's teams couldn't win on the road which is contrary to the numbers.
This team is better defensively then any team we have had in recent memory. Without Cam I think they will continue to struggle with post-defense and limiting offensive rebounds in conference play....which will effect their defensive efficiency.
The choice is to construct a better defense should be lauded but we have struggled time and again in late-game situations to get good looks...much less make them. Once again we had six possessions in the last 3 minutes after taking a 66-64 lead and we got 4 points and turned the ball over on two of those possessions and then Nick's decision in the last few seconds.
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