Will Prohm ever win a championship?

[ISUChippewa]

You could argue the Royce team underachieved (9 seed) as well as the team the year after that (10 seed).

To be fair, that Royce White team was an 8 seed, and we handled UCONN pretty easily in the first round game.

But yes, the at times revisionist history of ISU basketball on here does get exasperating.

 

[clone1990]

I'm not at the point of saying 'prohm should be fired', at least not this year, but its funny how some of the same characters who defended McDermott to the last minute are out here refusing to tolerate any criticism of Prohm whatsoever.

Its this kind of bitchass 'we can only expect so much, we're iowa state' thinking engrained in a segment of our fanbase that explains why reaching the next level never happens.

Bingo! Why should we settle? I have no idea why so many Cyclone fans are willing to do so. We should expect more and there should be no issue with fans that question a coach that we pay millions.

A team with this talent should get better over the course of the year not worse.

 

[clonedlion]

Wow.

This is a stupid post, and you should feel stupid for writing it, much less thinking it.

What exactly do you think happens to the program if Prohm gets canned? It's quite likely, IMO, that Wiggington goes pro (which could happen anyway), but I think Haliburton and THT transfer out, and we lose most, if not all, of our incoming recruiting class. That puts us at the bottom of the Big 12, starting over from square one.

You obviously hate Prohm and think he sucks, but is it too much to ask that you actually think before you post?

I think I am quite thoughtful about my position and my posting. I am not a stupid person and don't need your validation to think otherwise. Of course there will be turnover, such is any change in coaching. The question is if it is worth given what we know about a coach.You are thinking short term. I am thinking long term. This coach and his shortcomings have already cost this program.

I have seen your emotional posts. Perhaps you need to look at things more objectively rather than emotionally.

 

[isutrevman]

I meant a real championship, not a conference tourney.

So, like the other 8 coaches in the big 12 that aren't Bill Self?

 

[acgclone]

Prohm is what he is. He's not going to win the B12 any time soon, but I think he'll have us in the dance 2 out of 3 years.

We could do worse. We could do better.

He seems to be a decent recruiter. Better than average developer. Average to below average X's & O's.

Not many fans in the B12 would probably trade their coach for him, besides maybe Okie State.

 

[CloneGuy8]

To be fair, that Royce White team was an 8 seed, and we handled UCONN pretty easily in the first round game.

But yes, the at times revisionist history of ISU basketball on here does get exasperating.

My bad. For some reason I thought we were the lower-seeded team in that Uconn game

 

[ISUChippewa]

What does this have to with him when he was hired? You seem to be insulting me in order to make your point. Im just calling it like i see it. A team that looks like they have inferior game plans and rely on hot shooting to win games.

Texas Tech Kstate and Ole Miss were great early road wins. Very very good wins. Texas Tech probably the best win we've had. Because that was a game that didnt rely on a couple players playing out of their mind in order to win. We beat ole miss and kstate because we couldnt miss. But we need to have a gameplan for when we arent shooting lights out and we havent seen that.

My issue with you is that you clearly seem reluctant to give credit when we play well and win, yet pile on when we lose. Besides, that Texas Tech score was 68-64, not exactly an offensive barn burner, and a game that we did rely on our defense to win.

 

[CoKane]

I'm not at the point of saying 'prohm should be fired', at least not this year, but its funny how some of the same characters who defended McDermott to the last minute are out here refusing to tolerate any criticism of Prohm whatsoever.

Its this kind of bitchass 'we can only expect so much, we're iowa state' thinking engrained in a segment of our fanbase that explains why reaching the next level never happens.

And some of the same people who defended Rhoades as well. It's pretty obvious who isn't posting objectively on this site anymore

 

[CYcoFan]

Only one ISU coach has won a conference title the last 50 years. Why is Prohm held to such a high bar compared to other ISU coaches? This team will get 10 conference wins at the least, starting 2 freshmen and 2 sophs in this top 7. How many ISU teams have done that. Before the season people would be happy being a bubble team, now its conference title or bust, I guess. The most disappointing part of this team the last 2 weeks have been the play of the seniors.

You beat me to the punch by about 10 mins. I seriously can't understand the point of this thread. Still a lot of season left and Prohm isn't the only ISU Men's coach to fail at winning Reg season title

 

[awd4cy]

I'm not at the point of saying 'prohm should be fired', at least not this year, but its funny how some of the same characters who defended McDermott to the last minute are out here refusing to tolerate any criticism of Prohm whatsoever.

Its this kind of bitchass 'we can only expect so much, we're iowa state' thinking engrained in a segment of our fanbase that explains why reaching the next level never happens.

Completely agree. I’m not ready for Prohm to be fired either, but it is funny these are the same posters that defended Rhoads to the very end too. couldn’t stand constantly hearing, if we fire Rhoads, or if we fire McDermott, who could we get that would do any better and would even want to come here?

 

[madguy30]

So it works three weeks ago but not today?

More like early January...at some point bad habits are doing more than youth. As a matter of fact it's seemed like the most glaring issues on defense have been from veterans.

 

[deadeyededric]

Bingo! Why should we settle? I have no idea why so many Cyclone fans are willing to do so. We should expect more and there should be no issue with fans that question a coach that we pay millions.

A team with this talent should get better over the course of the year not worse.

I don't disagree, but what is the bar at ISU? I just don't know how you justify firing a coach that wins 23-24 games a year, finishes in the top half of the conference, recruits well, and makes it past the first round of the NCAA's every year. We should have higher expectations than a school like Iowa, but we aren't Kansas. I'm not sure what the answer is.

 

[awd4cy]

To be fair, that Royce White team was an 8 seed, and we handled UCONN pretty easily in the first round game.

But yes, the at times revisionist history of ISU basketball on here does get exasperating.

The Royce team was bad in the non conference as a result of hiring a completely new team of transfers and trying to figure out how to play without a point guard. That team was rolling by January though and was 12-6 in conference. Laid a dud in Big 12 tourney but were great in the tourney.

 

[Crookedhatkid]

Prohm is what he is. He's not going to win the B12 any time soon, but I think he'll have us in the dance 2 out of 3 years.

We could do worse. We could do better.

He seems to be a decent recruiter. Better than average developer. Average to below average X's & O's.

Not many fans in the B12 would probably trade their coach for him, besides maybe Okie State.

I mean saying he won’t win a conference championship any time soon seems way too definate. We could bring a championship level team back next year. I bet you all but maybe 3 B12 teams would trade for him right now. KSU is in 1st place in the conference and would absolutely trade us immediately.

 

[clone1990]

I don't disagree, but what is the bar at ISU? I just don't know how you justify firing a coach that wins 23-24 games a year, finishes in the top half of the conference, recruits well, and makes it past the first round of the NCAA's every year. We should have higher expectations than a school like Iowa, but we aren't Kansas. I'm not sure what the answer is.

I hear ya. And don’t get me wrong I am not calling for him to be fired.

I think he is a great recruiter and person. I just feel like our fan base settles all the time and we need to expect more.

I think we should be realistic about Prohm right now and not blindly defend him. I am held accountable at my job and he should be as well.

 

[madguy30]

Prohm is what he is. He's not going to win the B12 any time soon, but I think he'll have us in the dance 2 out of 3 years.

We could do worse. We could do better.

He seems to be a decent recruiter. Better than average developer. Average to below average X's & O's.

Not many fans in the B12 would probably trade their coach for him, besides maybe Okie State.

If I were a Texas fan I'd be looking for a change. OSU...he deserves at least another season and their fans should appreciate that he dropped some players for being jackbags.

 

[CYcoFan]

I'm not at the point of saying 'prohm should be fired', at least not this year, but its funny how some of the same characters who defended McDermott to the last minute are out here refusing to tolerate any criticism of Prohm whatsoever.

Its this kind of bitchass 'we can only expect so much, we're iowa state' thinking engrained in a segment of our fanbase that explains why reaching the next level never happens.

This is a Straw Man. Per usual you change the topic.

Prohm has already accomplished more at ISU than Mac did by winning a Conf Tourney Champ

 

[randomfan44]

Serious question, what is his specialty as a coach? Feel like we lack an identity.

Identity as a coach is overrated.
If you cannot adjust your system based on your roster then you are doomed. Iowa State just isnt playing with enough defensive energy and attention to detail to win games against teams they view as a quality oploment. What was this, their 6th loss against an unranked team?

 

[BoxsterCy]

I meant a real championship, not a conference tourney.

Like all of the ones Hoiberg and Johnny won? Cool, let's go get some more of those!

 

[CYcoFan]

Completely agree. I’m not ready for Prohm to be fired either, but it is funny these are the same posters that defended Rhoads to the very end too. couldn’t stand constantly hearing, if we fire Rhoads, or if we fire McDermott, who could we get that would do any better and would even want to come here?

Really you fell for Alarson's Straw Man/ Red Herring hook line and sinker. He has done it for years. Prohm has already accomplished more at ISU than Mac. To somehow take that and apply it to Rhoads and Football is logically shallow and Argumentation Fallacy