Why did you say Prohm was ruining Shayok's entire year for suspending Lard and Talley if they didn't even have to miss a game vs a tourney team?
Expectations for 2018-2019
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Why did you say Prohm was ruining Shayok's entire year for suspending Lard and Talley if they didn't even have to miss a game vs a tourney team?
Because at the time I thought those 2 would be instrumental to our success. Turns out we were still good without them. Talley is still in the doghouse and Lard isnt playing nearly as much as I thought he would.
Don't pretend like people werent worried our non-conf was ruined because of the Lard suspension.
That one game would have been a big one in the conference race.
We know what Solomon can do after watching him start for 1.5 seasons -- he is a huge body, 20 pounds heavier than Lard and Jacobson, with a high floor and low ceiling who plays good positional defense, boxes out on the defensive boards, sets good screens, cleans up some trash on the glass, clogs the lane, brings a stoic toughness to the floor, and embraces his role entirely, not needing to have any plays run for him, just going about his business.
Sounds like many of the things the critics save we have been missing and not without reason.
I know he is limited offensively, but offensive firepower is not what we need right now.
He would have been especially useful in the games against some of the larger big men in the conference (e.g., those from Baylor and TCU) and to put a big body in the way of their drivers that Jacobson cannot offer (due to his size) and Lard usually just does something boom-or-bust, either blocking a shot or fouling them on an and-one.
He would have been nice to have in certain situations. He is the closest thing we have to a center on the roster and has a ton of experience. Those would have been nice to have.
You were the only one that thought Prohm was ruining Shayok's senior season IIRC
Here is a synopsis from the first 5 pages of predictions near the end of last season...
"6th or better in the B12. Any seed in the dance."
"5th or 6th in conference. Make the tournament."
"21 wins."
"Bubble team."
"Right side of the bubble."
"Maybe 19-21 wins and a return to the dance."
"5th in Big 12. 6-11 seed in the big dance."
"23 wins. 6 seed."
"Win about 20 games. Top 5 in conference."
"Top 2-4 in conference. 3-6 seed in the tournament."
"Slightly behind the ball coming out of Maui and fight back for a 7-8 seed by March."
"I hope we can win a road game next year, barring major injuries, I see NIT."
"Maybe 4th in the B12. Up around 6th seed for the tourney."
"4th-5th place finish in conference and a 6-7 seed dance."
The general agreement seemed to be about 5th in conference and in the 6-8 seed neighborhood for the NCAA tourney. Only one prediction in the first 5 pages mentions being better than a 6 seed in the NCAA tourney.
What's optimistic here @FinalFourCy?
It’s so telling that the same people are over here downgrading the performance of this team.
Pop jr and jerse want you all to know how bad prohm is. They will dispute anything positives
and downplay any positives. They even disappear when we are winning.
Great great fans. We should all aspire to be them.
Pop jr and jerse want you all to know how bad prohm is. They will dispute anything positives
and downplay any positives. They even disappear when we are winning.
Great great fans. We should all aspire to be them.
How is he on ball-screens? Rebounding from the guard position, or at least out of his area? Baylor did have 47% and 40% OReb% last year with both Lard and Young playing.
Remember when many thought he wouldn’t get significant time this year? Now he’s a season changer. Make sure to bump this when next year’s lineup threads have him behind Lard, Conditt, and Jacobson.
That you cannot correlate those numbers to paint the coach in a negative light.
Well, i hardly feel sorry for KU considering they have a whole benchful of McDonalds All-Americans waiting.
Another game that I should note...
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401083415
We lost 76-80 in Lawrence.
Lawson had 29 points, pulled down 7 ORBs and 8 DRBs for a total of 15.
Jacobson struggled to defend him/box him out all night long and Lard fouled out after six minutes of game -- maybe the most comically "bad Lard" game we have had this season.
Anybody else think that, if Solomon were healthy, that Prohm would have run him out there with explicit orders to box Lawson out, early, roughly, and often?
If Solomon and his size and strength can flip a few of those rebounds our way, then there is a very good chance we win that game. Solomon is a better positional defender than Jacobson, too, so maybe he keeps the ball out of Lawson's hands a tiny bit more. I will take my chances with KU's guards chucking bad threes versus Lawson singled on Michael.
Heck, a healthy Solomon might have started the season (through his tenure, incumbency, and experience) instead of Jacobson, and might still be starting with how slow Prohm is to make changes to the starting lineup. I know Jacobson's strong non-conference papered over that loss to most of us, but I think Solomon going down was a larger loss than appreciated.
Not having Solomon is like not having that lefty-killer in your bullpen.
You can work around it, but not having him really sucks sometimes.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401083415
We lost 76-80 in Lawrence.
Lawson had 29 points, pulled down 7 ORBs and 8 DRBs for a total of 15.
Jacobson struggled to defend him/box him out all night long and Lard fouled out after six minutes of game -- maybe the most comically "bad Lard" game we have had this season.
Anybody else think that, if Solomon were healthy, that Prohm would have run him out there with explicit orders to box Lawson out, early, roughly, and often?
If Solomon and his size and strength can flip a few of those rebounds our way, then there is a very good chance we win that game. Solomon is a better positional defender than Jacobson, too, so maybe he keeps the ball out of Lawson's hands a tiny bit more. I will take my chances with KU's guards chucking bad threes versus Lawson singled on Michael.
Heck, a healthy Solomon might have started the season (through his tenure, incumbency, and experience) instead of Jacobson, and might still be starting with how slow Prohm is to make changes to the starting lineup. I know Jacobson's strong non-conference papered over that loss to most of us, but I think Solomon going down was a larger loss than appreciated.
Not having Solomon is like not having that lefty-killer in your bullpen.
You can work around it, but not having him really sucks sometimes.
Interesting. We didn't really have anything significant or unexpected happen with the roster between February 2018 and the start of this season.
Your analysis:
"If we follow the pattern of slow starts of the past few years as we figure out the rotation, it’s just as likely we’ll tenuously be on the bubble in which a bad bounce or two could pop what is a very important year.
Any NCAA berth is a win right now..."
"If we go 10-2 or 9-3 the tough schedule is a huge boost. But if we go 7-5 non-conference due to some tough close losses as we figure things out, now the margin for error is small for what’s a very critical year."
Rather than deflecting just own it. I’ve had my misgivings about in-game adjustments by CSP for well over two years now. But when the team plays a good game or he makes great adjustments you have to give him credit. They have been incredible on the road this year and losing only one game by more than 5 points is also an accomplishment which bodes well for March. Has there been late-game and game management issues...yep and those happened occasionally with Fred. Bottom line is you had a bad take...it happens just own it and move on. CyTwins isn’t trying to humiliate you he just wants to hold people accountable for their posts.
@CyTwins is the one we want on that wall, the one we need on that wall.
It couldn’t have said better, even today. Did you notice I even explicitly alluded to an expiration with the qualifier “right now”.
I’m not contending the preseason expectations weren’t valid, although they were buoyed by such a poor prior season, it’s being critical of the application of preseason guesses. Just as Prohm’s first year didn’t underachieve even though the preseason guesses called for a better season.
Lard was suspended the first third of the season, missed a few games with a rolled ankle, and has had trouble staying on the court a few times because of fouls.
Solomon might not have played a huge quantity of minutes, but they would have been in high-leverage situations where the match-up required his size and strength.
Solomon would have played an appreciable amount and been important to slowing down some of the best big men in the conference and upping our interior defense/toughness.
FYI - This is a zoombie thread from last year, but it's nice to see you're getting in early.
PS, I was right and you were wrong.
